Topic: A quality coach vs DD

[herdorbust2]

Not sure if you or sturt claim the title for most delusional posters we've ever seen.

You're making a heck of a case

That would be you and your constant Dan love affair. You have already made your case long ago with your foolish love fest!!!

[Buffalo Bop]

Ben Howlett just won the Furfari Award as the state college coach of the year. He finished ahead of Kim Stevens and DD.

Right now BH is my coach-in-waiting.

[marshallmark]

Ben Howlett just won the Furfari Award as the state college coach of the year. He finished ahead of Kim Stevens and DD.

Right now BH is my coach-in-waiting.

Hiring a D-2 coach is fraught with uncertainty.  Such a hire could be another Bo Ryan, but then again he could turn out to be

[herdfan129]

Ben Howlett just won the Furfari Award as the state college coach of the year. He finished ahead of Kim Stevens and DD.

Right now BH is my coach-in-waiting.

He would be incredible. He has strong recruiting ties in Ohio and PA as well. He literally did ALL of the recruiting the last few years Crutchfield was at West Liberty which helped make the transition to HC much easier for Ben.

[jdonaccbus]

Hiring a D-2 coach is fraught with uncertainty.  Such a hire could be another Bo Ryan, but then again he could turn out to be

Let me remind people that we hired two guys in recent memory that had tons of major Division 1 assistant coaching experience and some head coaching background at the Division 1 level. Those two guys were:

Tom Herrion and Ron Jirsa

How did they turn out?

I am not advocating for Howlett as I have a coach I really like. But Howlett is a good coach. But this "ohhhhhh, I don't know about that small college coach" stuff gets old.

[marshallmark]

Listen, I partly agree.  A good coach is a good coach.  But its a lot more complicated than that.

Does that coach have a history of success?  Does that coach have success with his own players, and not the ones left over from the previous coach?  Is he a proven recruiter?  Does he have a plan on how to recruit D1 players vs. D2 players (b/c its very different)?  Would you rather have an assistant at a high profile program or a lower level head coach? 

Its not an easy choice on paper, let alone when you factor in the personalities involved.

Stu came into Marshall with (a) major college assistant experience, (b) a proven recruiting track record (Bernard King/Ernie Grunfeld), (c) head coaching experience with the Canadian Olympic team, and (d) he came in with a specific, written plan that blew away Marshall's administration.  Anyone that really wants this job will have put themselves in position to be considered by doing most if not all of the above. 

[svherd]

Grassie is likely the best coach we have had on campus in quite some time. He came from D2.
It's about drive, knowledge and commitment to be the best and get the best.
I don't think some coaches have that drive.

[marshallmark]

Grassie is likely the best coach we have had on campus in quite some time. He came from D2.
It's about drive, knowledge and commitment to be the best and get the best.
I don't think some coaches have that drive.

Soccer is a different world than basketball.  I dare say that a D2 team could win the D1 national championship every once in a while in soccer - not in basketball.

And Chris was an assistant at Michigan and Marshall so he knew the D1 world. 

[svherd]

Soccer is a different world than basketball.  I dare say that a D2 team could win the D1 national championship every once in a while in soccer - not in basketball.

And Chris was an assistant at Michigan and Marshall so he knew the D1 world.

But he made a name for himself in D2. As I said, I think it's more about drive than anything else. Lazy coaches, lazy recruiting usually doesn't get the desired results consistently. Jmo

[2xBison]

But he made a name for himself in D2. As I said, I think it's more about drive than anything else. Lazy coaches, lazy recruiting usually doesn't get the desired results consistently. Jmo

If your point is DD isn't driven and doesn't recruit aggressively or seems apathetic to us taking the next step to a higher level that's true.  But, drive isn't going to get it done unless you have several other qualities.

[coalherd]

If your point is DD isn't driven and doesn't recruit aggressively or seems apathetic to us taking the next step to a higher level that's true.  But, drive isn't going to get it done unless you have several other qualities.

Like perhaps some solid bench-coaching experience beyond many years at the High School level!!

[coalherd]

Hiring a D-2 coach is fraught with uncertainty.  Such a hire could be another Bo Ryan, but then again he could turn out to be

Geeze marshallmark, that darn sports coat alone should have been enough of a Big RED Warning Flag for MU leaders back in those days!!!

[Herdmeister]

Hiring a D-2 coach is fraught with uncertainty.  Such a hire could be another Bo Ryan, but then again he could turn out to be

I thought Bob was a great guy and I enjoyed talking with him. IMO he came here as a very successful D2 coach but after getting here he continued recruiting D2 talent in many cases.

I will never forget sitting on press row at the 1973 NIT in Madison Square Garden.
The Herd had a nice lead at the half playing run and gun offense. While sitting there at the half weenie Young the most famous sportswriter in the world of the New York Daily News leaned over to me and said, "where has this team been all year?"

Well, in the second half we went into a shell and tried to milk the lead. Fairfield got hot and the rest is history. That loss 100% was on Daniels.

[wlf]

And we do that at the 03:00 or 04:00 minute mark every game .

[2xBison]

Like perhaps some solid bench-coaching experience beyond many years at the High School level!!

I've not had a huge problem with DD's bench coaching other than collecting time outs until this season.  This season there were a few head scratchers.

Still think his main problem is recruiting and roster mgt.

I don't think much of it has to do with him being a corner HS coach


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[herdorbust2]

I've not had a huge problem with DD's bench coaching other than collecting time outs until this season.  This season there were a few head scratchers.

Still think his main problem is recruiting and roster mgt.

I don't think much of it has to do with him being a corner HS coach


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Honestly, I've never seen him coach during the game. Maybe during a rare timeout. But he never yells instructions or anything during the games. I know people say that is just the way he is but I find that bad coaching. He just lets his team run up and down even if they abandon the offense and he just watches.

[2xBison]

Honestly, I've never seen him coach during the game. Maybe during a rare timeout. But he never yells instructions or anything during the games. I know people say that is just the way he is but I find that bad coaching. He just lets his team run up and down even if they abandon the offense and he just watches.

I'm glad he doesn't stand there and scream like a fool like Herrion.  Prepare your players, I agree with that, then all you should need to do is make adjustments.  This year, I saw adjustments I scratched my head over and some adjustments he refused to make and the end of the seasons bothered me.  especially the end of the Tex ST game.

[coalherd]

I've not had a huge problem with DD's bench coaching other than collecting time outs until this season.  This season there were a few head scratchers.

Still think his main problem is recruiting and roster mgt.

I don't think much of it has to do with him being a corner HS coach


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Just noted his long HS tenure because one of the, if not the main, criticisms of his hire at MU was whether he would be able to recruit at MJ.  NO recruiting experience involved certainly during his HS years.  NONE during his tenure sitting on the bench with Mike in the NBA.  His only college experience was sticking around MU a while after his playing days as some kind of GA or something and I seriously doubt that he was really involved all that much with recruiting.  Then, too, his actions/or lack thereof, as a D1 bench coach can also be questioned given his long HS years.  D1 ball is certainly a different animal than HS, IMO.

[coalherd]

I thought Bob was a great guy and I enjoyed talking with him. IMO he came here as a very successful D2 coach but after getting here he continued recruiting D2 talent in many cases.

I will never forget sitting on press row at the 1973 NIT in Madison Square Garden.
The Herd had a nice lead at the half playing run and gun offense. While sitting there at the half weenie Young the most famous sportswriter in the world of the New York Daily News leaned over to me and said, "where has this team been all year?"

Well, in the second half we went into a shell and tried to milk the lead. Fairfield got hot and the rest is history. That loss 100% was on Daniels.

Oh, no personal issues with Coach D. at all.  He did a heck of a job at KY Wesleyan with one or maybe two D2 National Championships. I just remember he had a definite Kentucky nasally twank when speaking.  Watching his show often on I believe it was old WHTN-TV 13 in Huntington years ago, I remember he often had a slight whistle when pronouncing the letter "s" at the end of some words.  No doubt the pride of Horse Cave, KY, his home town.  I can just imagine him being interviewed in person by a New York sportswriter by the name of Young, wearing that sports coat and with that Westren Kentucky, I presume, nasally accent!!

[herdorbust2]

I'm glad he doesn't stand there and scream like a fool like Herrion.  Prepare your players, I agree with that, then all you should need to do is make adjustments.  This year, I saw adjustments I scratched my head over and some adjustments he refused to make and the end of the seasons bothered me.  especially the end of the Tex ST game.

You don't have to stand and scream at your players. But watch virtually every coach in the country and they are involved to some degree on the sidelines. Either clapping encouragement, directing traffic, etc,,, he is a spectator. No matter how many turnovers or bad shots, he stands and looks, like everything is just wonderful.

[HerdMan84]

Oh, no personal issues with Coach D. at all.  He did a heck of a job at KY Wesleyan with one or maybe two D2 National Championships. I just remember he had a definite Kentucky nasally twank when speaking.  Watching his show often on I believe it was old WHTN-TV 13 in Huntington years ago, I remember he often had a slight whistle when pronouncing the letter "s" at the end of some words.  No doubt the pride of Horse Cave, KY, his home town.  I can just imagine him being interviewed in person by a New York sportswriter by the name of Young, wearing that sports coat and with that Westren Kentucky, I presume, nasally accent!!

Eastern Kentucky accent. Bob was from Tutor Key, near Paintsville.