Topic: Daniel Batcho

[Flat Tire 2]

Does anyone know if Batcho, who signed with LA Tech, ever made an on campus to MU? I don't expect MU to compete with a Power 5 school for athletes, but we must compete against peer conference schools for players. Sometimes we get the player, but sometimes we don't. But if you can't even get the player to visit, there is a problem. It seems like we lose a lot of potential players, maybe I am wrong.

Some would say you can't recruit players to poor ole Huntington due to its "problems". If you look MU Soccer; MU Football and now MU Women's Basketball and they are signing portal players and in some cases; highly regarded players. I don't care how good a coach might think he is, you can't win without the players.

[herdorbust2]

Does anyone know if Batcho, who signed with LA Tech, ever made an on campus to MU? I don't expect MU to compete with a Power 5 school for athletes, but we must compete against peer conference schools for players. Sometimes we get the player, but sometimes we don't. It seems like we lose a lot of potential players?

Some would say you can't recruit players to poor ole Huntington due to its "problems". If you look MU Soccer; MU Football and now MU Women's Basketball and they are signing portal players and in some cases; highly regarded players. I don't care how good a coach might think he is, you can't win without the players.

It has very little to do with Huntington. If that was the case ND couldn't get recruits. It's the coach. You have to have a vibrant, energetic coach that has a hunger and vision to make it happen. People can make excuses and deny facts, but we aren't going to do well in recruiting until things change.

[Flat Tire 2]

I am old enough to remember when Stewart Way and Bob Daniels were the MU basketball coaches. Way like Dan was a high school coach; Way was a lot better high school coach since he won a couple of state championships when WV high school basketball was very good and producing a lot of division I players. Daniels started having problems and he made excuses about the  lack of MU support (no arena) was why he couldn't sign players: that excuse sounds familiar to no air characters ect.  Their downfall was they couldn't recruit quality players. I am afraid we are seeing the same issues with DD. I hope I am wrong, but we might be seeing a program in decline?

[svherd]

It has very little to do with Huntington. If that was the case ND couldn't get recruits. It's the coach. You have to have a vibrant, energetic coach that has a hunger and vision to make it happen. People can make excuses and deny facts, but we aren't going to do well in recruiting until things change.

This! An energetic, excited coach can make all the difference. Kids can feel the vibe, parents too. Grassie is a prime example. Bringing highly skilled foreign players to Huntington, WV to play NCAA D1 soccer. Huff is using the portal very well also.

[herdorbust2]

I am old enough to remember when Stewart Way and Bob Daniels were the MU basketball coaches. Way like Dan was a high school coach; Way was a lot better high school coach since he won a couple of state championships when WV high school basketball was very good and producing a lot of division I players. Daniels started having problems and he make excuses about the MU support (no arena) why he couldn't sign players, that excuse sounds familiar no air characters ect.  Their downfall was they couldn't recruit quality players. I am afraid we are seeing the same issues with DD. I hope I am wrong, but we might be seeing a program in decline?

Just look at the roster and then look what is left for 24-25. It's obvious this staff is having a rough time recruiting when the head coach doesn't take the lead but waits until his assistants bring him the prospects. Next year imo will be the last decent year we will have until change is made.

[wasbarryb]

Just look at the roster and then look what is left for 24-25. It's obvious this staff is having a rough time recruiting when the head coach doesn't take the lead but waits until his assistants bring him the prospects. Next year imo will be the last decent year we will have until change is made.

A lot of us thought this year would be a lot worse after the year before.  I'm not optimistic, but DD just might pull another out of his tush.

[herdorbust2]

A lot of us thought this year would be a lot worse after the year before.  I'm not optimistic, but DD just might pull another out of his tush.

Anything is possible and that is why I said decent. And who knows if all the pieces fall perfectly and Conner, Ficks and Obinna have out of body experiences we could win thur SB since it's there for the taking. But I have zero hope after Andrew and Curfman move on. I doubt another Jon or Andy will fall in his lap again.

[Haveyouherd222]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

[herdorbust2]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

So they will go hard in the portal in 24-25 but not this year for a couple difference makers? Says all we need to know and already knew.

[herdorbust2]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

Why do we need another big? We have Obinna, Toussaint and Goran. Not to mention Mckey and Fricks at 6'9. How many bigs you need on one team? And how many guards we have after Andy and Curfman that can be counted on?

[herd2win]

Stupid for anyone to think Dan will get anything out of the portal this year or next.  He has not beaten anyone of record for a recruit.  We need guard play this year.  To think a switch will go on and all of a sudden at age 77 he decides to recruit aggressively.

Look at his last few recruits.  Be beat no one for these guys.

[Flat Tire 2]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

Going hard in the portal for 24-25 is concerning. DD biggest weakness is his inability to recruit; he has no experience in recruiting since he was a high school coach. He will be 76 in a few months and will be 77 next year. I don't see how he will become a recruiter at his age. Age is catching up with him like it catches up with everyone.

I have been told by someone close to the program that DD doesn't recruit and expects his assistants to bring in the players. That is hard option for a Division I program to overcome. DD needs to upgrade his staff with high energy recruiters with good contacts.  I hope it works, but it will be tough jmo.

[scope58]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

Bull

[jdonaccbus]

We will go hard in the portal for 24-25.   Staff already knows this.   Obviously still need to sign a big to complete the roster this year.

Let's just say it. He won't go after the portal players hard this year because we don't want to offend 'quite a few' of our players on the current roster. We have had many a Dan loyalist on here state that he doesn't want to recruit "competition" because some of our better players may leave.

Quite frankly, I can't stand this current philosophy. Competition and depth makes a team better....plain and simple. What if we have a key injury next season? Who would we turn to then? Injuries do happen. You have to be prepared. That is what good programs do.......THEY RECRUIT. There is a reason that the NCAA gives 13 full rides to Division 1 programs. And the reason isn't to appease players, it isn't to let other guys be content with their fanny on the bench knowing they will get that full ride, and the reason certainly isn't to keep the head coach happy and content  with this "no feathers ruffled" type of program that it has become.

We need ballers right now. Some guys that have a little toughnesses to them. Some guys that will run off the bench 6 minutes into the game and say "hey, I am going to shut this guy down that has been scoring on my teammates". Yes, defense is an integral part of the game. I hate the Huff/Dan comparisons. I really do. But I sure wish Dan would get a little bit of Huff's demeanor. Huff said the other day that he just doesn't want to get a portal player by need. He says he wants to get the best player out there......the best player available. He didn't seem to be afraid to ruffle Ali's feathers. We need that mindset in basketball. We need a different type of guard right now to what we have. Yeah, Taylor can play. Kurfman can shoot. But their defense on stopping dribble penetration is suspect to say the least. And Kurfman's offensive game is a one-trick pony until he shows me other wise.....or should I say show opposing coaches other wise. Why not recruit another guard that can defend and fill the lanes on the break? Here is a novel concept......play with 3 guards at times.

I love Dan to death. I really do. I would lay off some of the criticism of his late-game gaffes if he would change his recruiting philosophy. But I have had enough. I am sick of him catering to some of these guys. Changing up the 8 guys that sit on the bench that come to the game dressed as players would have certainly have helped for this upcoming season. But oh no, we want to recruit scared. We might offend one of our better players by bringing in a player that we need. I don't care if a guy leaves because he is afraid of competition. We need competition on this roster. Maybe if we had competition, we wouldn't look as soft as we have looked at the end of the last three seasons.

Dan has worn me out with frustration. Recruiting scared isn't the way to go. I want a bold recruiter. I want my coach developing the roster.......I don't want the "superstar" players calling the personnel shots!

[herdorbust2]

Let's just say it. He won't go after the portal players hard this year because we don't want to offend 'quite a few' of our players on the current roster. We have had many a Dan loyalist on here state that he doesn't want to recruit "competition" because some of our better players may leave.

Quite frankly, I can't stand this current philosophy. Competition and depth makes a team better....plain and simple. What if we have a key injury next season? Who would we turn to then? Injuries do happen. You have to be prepared. That is what good programs do.......THEY RECRUIT. There is a reason that the NCAA gives 13 full rides to Division 1 programs. And the reason isn't to appease players, it isn't to let other guys be content with their fanny on the bench knowing they will get that full ride, and the reason certainly isn't to keep the head coach happy and content  with this "no feathers ruffled" type of program that it has become.

We need ballers right now. Some guys that have a little toughnesses to them. Some guys that will run off the bench 6 minutes into the game and say "hey, I am going to shut this guy down that has been scoring on my teammates". Yes, defense is an integral part of the game. I hate the Huff/Dan comparisons. I really do. But I sure wish Dan would get a little bit of Huff's demeanor. Huff said the other day that he just doesn't want to get a portal player by need. He says he wants to get the best player out there......the best player available. He didn't seem to be afraid to ruffle Ali's feathers. We need that mindset in basketball. We need a different type of guard right now to what we have. Yeah, Taylor can play. Kurfman can shoot. But their defense on stopping dribble penetration is suspect to say the least. And Kurfman's offensive game is a one-trick pony until he shows me other wise.....or should I say show opposing coaches other wise. Why not recruit another guard that can defend and fill the lanes on the break? Here is a novel concept......play with 3 guards at times.

I love Dan to death. I really do. I would lay off some of the criticism of his late-game gaffes if he would change his recruiting philosophy. But I have had enough. I am sick of him catering to some of these guys. Changing up the 8 guys that sit on the bench that come to the game dressed as players would have certainly have helped for this upcoming season. But oh no, we want to recruit scared. We might offend one of our better players by bringing in a player that we need. I don't care if a guy leaves because he is afraid of competition. We need competition on this roster. Maybe if we had competition, we wouldn't look as soft as we have looked at the end of the last three seasons.

Dan has worn me out with frustration. Recruiting scared isn't the way to go. I want a bold recruiter. I want my coach developing the roster.......I don't want the "superstar" players calling the personnel shots!

Wow, you nailed it. That sounded like me thinking out loud. I wanted Danny to succeed so bad. But like you said, the frustration level with his insane recruiting ways has done it for me. But it's going to be his downfall and he has nobody to blame but him. And how anyone can take up for his recruiting, allowing guys to continue to take spots that will never contribute is beyond me. Not to mention, like you said, afraid to make players mad so he won't try and out recruit them. And I know for a fact it's true. It's absolute insanity.

[coalherd]

This! An energetic, excited coach can make all the difference. Kids can feel the vibe, parents too. Grassie is a prime example. Bringing highly skilled foreign players to Huntington, WV to play NCAA D1 soccer. Huff is using the portal very well also.

I've got a very strong feeling, svherd, that is the exact kind of coach we have just hired for our women's basketball program!!!

[Herdmeister]

Going hard in the portal for 24-25 is concerning. DD biggest weakness is his inability to recruit; he has no experience in recruiting since he was a high school coach. He will be 76 in a few months and will be 77 next year. I don't see how he will become a recruiter at his age. Age is catching up with him like it catches up with everyone.

I have been told by someone close to the program that DD doesn't recruit and expects his assistants to bring in the players. That is hard option for a Division I program to overcome. DD needs to upgrade his staff with high energy recruiters with good contacts.  I hope it works, but it will be tough jmo.

You heard wrong.
He will spend a ton of time in Atlanta and Las Vegas this summer watching AAU talent.

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[Flat Tire 2]

You heard wrong.
He will spend a ton of time in Atlanta and Las Vegas this summer watching AAU talent.

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It is easy to go watch a tournament. When was the last time he made a visit to a player?

[herd2win]

You heard wrong.
He will spend a ton of time in Atlanta and Las Vegas this summer watching AAU talent.

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Maybe he needs new glasses because his latest recruits are not D1 talent.  Should stick with proven portal players.  Curfman contributed more than Dans high school recruits.

[goherd24]

Maybe he needs new glasses because his latest recruits are not D1 talent.  Should stick with proven portal players.  Curfman contributed more than Dans high school recruits.

You mean the one that finished all time leading scorer? Or the 2nd all time leading scorer? Or the other top 10 scorer? Or the 4th one that will finish as an all timer after this season in Taylor? Who OSU and others wanted? Or the kid that Florida paid a quarter mil for that everybody missed but Dan? The kid he got from VMI that finished one of the tops in 3 balls last season?

Sure he isn't the best, and we don't have NIL money to throw at these kids either like some do, but he isn't the worst ever either. My biggest gripe on Dan is his end of game situational coaching. We had the players last season to go to the tourney, and we lost because of not calling a timeout, when we went down 1, letting curfman waste 15-20 seconds dribbling confused, then not fouling with a 6 second differential. The players were there. I like the pick ups this season. Some young guys will be better. And yes, Marko and some others should be gone but maybe that loyalty is also why Taylor is staying, maybe why Taevion stayed when he also had numerous options too.

[herdorbust2]

You mean the one that finished all time leading scorer? Or the 2nd all time leading scorer? Or the other top 10 scorer? Or the 4th one that will finish as an all timer after this season in Taylor? Who OSU and others wanted? Or the kid that Florida paid a quarter mil for that everybody missed but Dan? The kid he got from VMI that finished one of the tops in 3 balls last season?

Sure he isn't the best, and we don't have NIL money to throw at these kids either like some do, but he isn't the worst ever either. My biggest gripe on Dan is his end of game situational coaching. We had the players last season to go to the tourney, and we lost because of not calling a timeout, when we went down 1, letting curfman waste 15-20 seconds dribbling confused, then not fouling with a 6 second differential. The players were there. I like the pick ups this season. Some young guys will be better. And yes, Marko and some others should be gone but maybe that loyalty is also why Taylor is staying, maybe why Taevion stayed when he also had numerous options too.

Do you expect anything different than another early exit? You have to coach during games and uncross your arms occasionally.

[Herdmeister]

You mean the one that finished all time leading scorer? Or the 2nd all time leading scorer? Or the other top 10 scorer? Or the 4th one that will finish as an all timer after this season in Taylor? Who OSU and others wanted? Or the kid that Florida paid a quarter mil for that everybody missed but Dan? The kid he got from VMI that finished one of the tops in 3 balls last season?

Sure he isn't the best, and we don't have NIL money to throw at these kids either like some do, but he isn't the worst ever either. My biggest gripe on Dan is his end of game situational coaching. We had the players last season to go to the tourney, and we lost because of not calling a timeout, when we went down 1, letting curfman waste 15-20 seconds dribbling confused, then not fouling with a 6 second differential. The players were there. I like the pick ups this season. Some young guys will be better. And yes, Marko and some others should be gone but maybe that loyalty is also why Taylor is staying, maybe why Taevion stayed when he also had numerous options too.

Right on so many levels with this post. The loyalty part in particular. Andrew was told he could have gotten well over $100k to leave. He appreciated Danny's loyalty to his players and in return he stayed loyal as well.
That is a fact

[herdfan129]

Right on so many levels with this post. The loyalty part in particular. Andrew was told he could have gotten well over $100k to leave. He appreciated Danny's loyalty to his players and in return he stayed loyal as well.
That is a fact

I?m calling BS. These guys are competitors and I?m sure they would appreciate DD helping guys like Marko move along after FIVE YEARS? and bringing in someone who would help them win.

No one is saying DD should turn over half the roster every year, but there is a middle ground here.