Topic: Taylor to Miss St

[Big City]

Taylor was a good ball player. I appreciated the hustle. Hate that he left but I'm not going to let it ruin my day.

[herd2win]

Dan should never recruit another high school kid.  No upside.  Either they wont be any good or a larger school will offer unmatchable cash and they will be gone.

[herdfan129]

Dan should never recruit another high school kid.  No upside.  Either they wont be any good or a larger school will offer unmatchable cash and they will be gone.

Thank you. I?ve been saying this since the NIL was announced.

[Kwherd]

What it all says is that we are now either Single A or rookie league and about to get worse.

If you can?t come up with the coin you will no longer get to participate.

You can?t knock folks for wanting to improve their lives. Do do so is hypocrisy. Given the same set of circumstances everyone would do it, including using Marshal leverage his position.

End of story.

[herdinphilly]

Yea.  How dare he not pass up life changing money and instead stay for a bunch of middle aged men so they can live vicariously through him.

Hating Andy is beyond pathetic.

To not want to talk about him anymore on a Herd fan board doesn't mean he's hated as a person.

[herdinphilly]

I heard it was 400k but the tax man will take his 35 or so %.

I heard it was $7 million.

[elginherd]

What it all says is that we are now either Single A or rookie league and about to get worse.

If you can?t come up with the coin you will no longer get to participate.

You can?t knock folks for wanting to improve their lives. Do do so is hypocrisy. Given the same set of circumstances everyone would do it, including using Marshal leverage his position.

End of story.

Exactly.

[elginherd]

Dan should never recruit another high school kid.  No upside.  Either they wont be any good or a larger school will offer unmatchable cash and they will be gone.

That's not exactly the trend. The trend so far has been for the midmajors to get good players from HS and then after a season or 4, for the higher level programs to come and scoop up players who are able to contribute or star for midmajors.

To early to tell about this, but some HS coches & commentators claim that one of the effects of the NIL is that players who would've been recruited by major programs before are not anymore. That would mean that more players would be able to contribute as freshman & sophmores at midmajors before being scooped up by programs that can pay.

Recruiting has to be done at the HS level AND the portal. And Marshall needs to be able to adjust to this.

[Haveyouherd222]

Just curious where did you hear the above or what is your source? That is fairly detailed information that you are posting. I did a quick internet search and the only numbers I have seen are from Chuck Landon and even Chuck said it was a rumor.
"There were rumors of $400,000 offers being tossed around. Whether those reports were true or false, it gives a compelling indication of the kind of pressure Taylor was enduring."
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/chuck-landon-mu-lost-taylor-to-moneyball/article_6e47bf09-1aff-5e0d-a0e8-4fbfb3fe4544.html

You're not going to find these exact deals on the internet man.   Needless to say, you won't get the correct info from Landon either.   Andy canceled visits to Florida and Ole Miss after Miss St. make their offer.   

[Flat Tire 2]

You're not going to find these exact deals on the internet man.   Needless to say, you won't get the correct info from Landon either.   Andy canceled visits to Florida and Ole Miss after Miss St. make their offer.

Well, you didn't answer my question. I guess only Taylor; MSU and the IRS (if he reports his income) know the exact details? Anything else about his package is speculation until it is published or verified. I am not doubting he received a nice compensation package.

He is gone; so it is time to move on from the situation. Now is the time for Dan to hit the portal.

[herdfifteen]

Well, you didn't answer my question. I guess only Taylor; MSU and the IRS (if he reports his income) know the exact details? Anything else about his package is speculation until it is published or verified. I am not doubting he received a nice compensation package.

He is gone; so it is time to move on from the situation. Now is the time for Dan to hit the portal.

I agree. I stated early he should take the money, that presents no problem for me. However, I have serious doubts he received the money reported.

[bighat]

Mississippi State files a return that is open to review but NIL is from an outside party.

[Haveyouherd222]

I agree. I stated early he should take the money, that presents no problem for me. However, I have serious doubts he received the money reported.

Lol.   You guys don't have a clue.   Tell ya what, ask Dan, Corny, or Adam what Andy got.   They'll tell you flat out what the deal was.  Go to a practice and ask.  I'm not gonna give you cell numbers, or screen shots, or anything else.   Just go ask. 

[svherd]

Lol.   You guys don't have a clue.   Tell ya what, ask Dan, Corny, or Adam what Andy got.   They'll tell you flat out what the deal was.  Go to a practice and ask.  I'm not gonna give you cell numbers, or screen shots, or anything else.   Just go ask.

Don't give a flip what he got. It's over and done with. Time to move on and hope this staff can find an adequate replacement, or it's gonna be a long season

[herdorbust2]

Don't give a flip what he got. It's over and done with. Time to move on and hope this staff can find an adequate replacement, or it's gonna be a long season

This very well could be Dans worst season yet by far. We have one scholarship open unless someone else leaves. And he is still offering 3-4-5 players. If they don't get a VERY GOOD PG it will be a total dumpster fire.

[banker]

People saying NIL will keep growing, they may well be right. However, I?ll offer a counterpoint:

What going to happen to these NIL donors when they pony more and more money for the next few years and they still finish 7th in the conference just like they were doing before NIL?  What happens with those donors when guys like Taylor go there and average 8ppg, 3 rebounds and 2 assists and shot 34% from the field (for example)?  When the coaching staff is telling you ?we just need this guy to get over the top? for the 5th time and you haven?t gotten over the top yet do they continue to flip the $50k a year?

NIL isn?t going to change the landscape. Ohio State and Alabama will still be teams to beat in football, basketball will still run through the same name brands.  If I was in charge I would collect NIL money and just hold on to it then every 10 years take all of it and buy a championship team with insane deals. If everybody in you conference was spending zero 2 years ago and now everybody is spending $3-$4 million a year, nothing has changed.

[herd2win]

Banker is on to something.  MU should save NIL money and every 5 years buy a team to win the SBC.

[ru4mu2]

People saying NIL will keep growing, they may well be right. However, I?ll offer a counterpoint:

What going to happen to these NIL donors when they pony more and more money for the next few years and they still finish 7th in the conference just like they were doing before NIL?  What happens with those donors when guys like Taylor go there and average 8ppg, 3 rebounds and 2 assists and shot 34% from the field (for example)?  When the coaching staff is telling you ?we just need this guy to get over the top? for the 5th time and you haven?t gotten over the top yet do they continue to flip the $50k a year?

NIL isn?t going to change the landscape. Ohio State and Alabama will still be teams to beat in football, basketball will still run through the same name brands.  If I was in charge I would collect NIL money and just hold on to it then every 10 years take all of it and buy a championship team with insane deals. If everybody in you conference was spending zero 2 years ago and now everybody is spending $3-$4 million a year, nothing has changed.

I agree.  I think this will be a cycle for a few years until the ROI is realized and will slow down for most.  Could be wrong, but I see it happening.

[Luke80]

Right! It?s all rational financial decisions in college sports.  No irrational ego driven decisions at all. 

[chris88]

People saying NIL will keep growing, they may well be right. However, I?ll offer a counterpoint:

What going to happen to these NIL donors when they pony more and more money for the next few years and they still finish 7th in the conference just like they were doing before NIL?  What happens with those donors when guys like Taylor go there and average 8ppg, 3 rebounds and 2 assists and shot 34% from the field (for example)?  When the coaching staff is telling you ?we just need this guy to get over the top? for the 5th time and you haven?t gotten over the top yet do they continue to flip the $50k a year?

NIL isn?t going to change the landscape. Ohio State and Alabama will still be teams to beat in football, basketball will still run through the same name brands.  If I was in charge I would collect NIL money and just hold on to it then every 10 years take all of it and buy a championship team with insane deals. If everybody in you conference was spending zero 2 years ago and now everybody is spending $3-$4 million a year, nothing has changed.

This is exactly what I have been saying.  The same resource heavy programs will continue to dominate. It will benefit a few players and some donors will be lighter in the wallet but the on court/field performance difference will be negligible.

[svherd]

Sir Charles said it a while ago, the same 20-25 schools will dominate; and the rest will continue to struggle or maintain status quo. I can't imagine anyone who thought this would be a good idea for college sports, or help Marshall.

[forphase1]

Sure, for the most part nothing as changed, as the schools with deep pockets before will still be the ones with deep pockets and will be able to out right buy better players and teams.  No surprise there.  The big change is that those schools without deep pockets will be acting is a minor league/feeder system for those with more money.  The days of Marshall finding and KEEPING a Pennington, Leftwich or Kinsey are likely gone.  In the past the kids couldn't transfer without sitting out a year unless there was some 'real' reason or had graduated, but now with the free transfers and money flowing everywhere, it's going to be increasingly hard for Marshall to keep our stars.  The solution is we have to do the poaching from deeper pocket schools for kids who aren't getting the playing time they think they deserve and/or getting the star players from those schools/divisions who are lower than we are.  Getting a high school nugget, working with him, coaching him up to be a super star is likely going to be counter productive as once we help mold him into a great player, they will abandon us for greener pastures.  That's certainly happening with basketball to this point.

I honestly hate the system that college sports is becoming.  It's becoming harder and harder for me to follow it, and to care about it.  What made college sports special for me is, if not already dead, is certainly on life support. 

[elginherd]

Sir Charles said it a while ago, the same 20-25 schools will dominate; and the rest will continue to struggle or maintain status quo. I can't imagine anyone who thought this would be a good idea for college sports, or help Marshall.

OK, first NIL was not really an idea...it was hastily patched together after the NCAA's stance limiting the ability to earn money was predictably shot down in the federal courts. The present 'system' is a result of the NCAA's membership's intransigence.

[MCA23]

I don't hate him.  I just don't give a 💩 about what happens with him from here on out. And if 250k is life changing money, you need to get off the fry line at McDonalds.

Maybe it isn't for an adult established in their career already, but for a 20 something college kid that is big money. 

[MCA23]

Sorry, but he's not worth that. We'll see.

I don't think he is either, but I don't think any of these players are worth what they're getting.  In the beginning I thought his NIL stuff was just about players being able to make money off of autograph signings and appearances.  This whole roster shopping thing is beyond ridiculous.  Arch Manning is getting 3.2 million to sit the bench right now.  At some point the ROI is going to start coming back and those throwing millions around aren't going to like it and this bubble will burst.  It's just not sustainable.