Topic: Our practice designed to give QBs 1 & 2 equal reps?

[goherd24]

You never get on here and talk about Dan like you do Huff. You gave Dan a little grief after the 12-21 season and then was back on board quick. You even praise Goran but trash Fancher. You trash the QB spot but don't have a problem with not even having a true PG on the basketball team. Again, you do nothing but make excuses for basketball while trashing Huff, a guy that actually works his butt off recruiting instead of accepting anything and rolling with it.

Please stop the lies and non-sense. I praised Goran, once. I said he looked great in practice and once when he played amazing against UTEP. I then did say he needed and earned more minutes last year but Dan wouldn't play him. Which was true. But you just keep regurgitating that non-sense. Perfect example of your one track mind.

It's not basketball season. But yes, I was frustrated with the 12-21 season, but i was ok with him coming back. He earned a second chance. And what did he do? He had us playing for Marshalls first regular season title in my lifetime and a double bye in the tournament. I expected a title, he didn't get it done, i then posted a new thread that he should be let go. What else am I supposed to do bust? Go with you to his house with a torch?

I don't think Huff is a championship coach. So far he has proven me right. I hope I'm wrong. And after this season, maybe a whole lot more agree with me, or I'm proven wrong which I hope to be. I don't care about recruiting, I care about winning. Doc proved that one does not correlate to the other as we constantly had top cusa cl(@/:; and won 1 title in 10 years, with a generational QB talent. Fancher to this point has done nothing to lead me to believe he can win a title. I said the same thing about Green too, and it took a minute before the blinders were off for some on that one too. For what it's worth, i believe by conference play, Fancher will not be playing, but I hope we go 14-0 and Fancher has rhe greatest turn around in college sports history.

The difference in you and me is, I still have season football tickets, i still donate to the big green at the highest level. I still will buy bowl proxy tickets, and attend QB club events, be in the tip off and soccer club level at the highest level. I know you jumped up and down cheering when we fell short in basketball last year the last game, breathing a sign of relief. I was devastated, just the same as i was when we lost to bowling green. You celebrated and couldn't wait to post after we lost the cusa tournament last year, I was devastated, the same as when we lost to coastal and effectively ended our season last year. I want Marshall to succeed, and hope I'm wrong when I disagree with our coaching in any sport. You want marshall to fail so you're right.

That's our difference.

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[Green Dog]

I don't know why they are splitting reps or even if they are splitting reps at 50/50.

I certainly hope they are as I seen nothing from Fancher last season to name him starter in the off season.
It honestly shocked/surprised me Huff was so quick to do so. He must have seen something in Fancher
other than his physical play on the field to have such confidence in him. I hope he was right and we see major
improvement. We'll know soon with this schedule.



 

[Bob25526]

Well, this thread is headed sideways.

[svherd]

I don't know why they are splitting reps or even if they are splitting reps at 50/50.

I certainly hope they are as I seen nothing from Fancher last season to name him starter in the off season.
It honestly shocked/surprised me Huff was so quick to do so. He must have seen something in Fancher
other than his physical play on the field to have such confidence in him. I hope he was right and we see major
improvement. We'll know soon with this schedule.

It's pretty common knowledge that the biggest improvement in a players development is between the first and second year as a starter. We have to assume this is happening and trust the coaches - who see these kids every day. We'll see.

[goherd24]

Well, this thread is headed sideways.

I promise I'll do my best to never reply to bust again.

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[goherd24]

I don't know why they are splitting reps or even if they are splitting reps at 50/50.

I certainly hope they are as I seen nothing from Fancher last season to name him starter in the off season.
It honestly shocked/surprised me Huff was so quick to do so. He must have seen something in Fancher
other than his physical play on the field to have such confidence in him. I hope he was right and we see major
improvement. We'll know soon with this schedule.

Agreed.

And SV, a player does generally improve year 1 to 2 more than others, but I don't believe the biggest jump one could make, even gives us average QB play. If its not one of the younger guys, the rice transfer is an average QB that could be what we need with a great defense and Ali.

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[herdorbust2]

Please stop the lies and non-sense. I praised Goran, once. I said he looked great in practice and once when he played amazing against UTEP. I then did say he needed and earned more minutes last year but Dan wouldn't play him. Which was true. But you just keep regurgitating that non-sense. Perfect example of your one track mind.

It's not basketball season. But yes, I was frustrated with the 12-21 season, but i was ok with him coming back. He earned a second chance. And what did he do? He had us playing for Marshalls first regular season title in my lifetime and a double bye in the tournament. I expected a title, he didn't get it done, i then posted a new thread that he should be let go. What else am I supposed to do bust? Go with you to his house with a torch?

I don't think Huff is a championship coach. So far he has proven me right. I hope I'm wrong. And after this season, maybe a whole lot more agree with me, or I'm proven wrong which I hope to be. I don't care about recruiting, I care about winning. Doc proved that one does not correlate to the other as we constantly had top cusa cl(@/:; and won 1 title in 10 years, with a generational QB talent. Fancher to this point has done nothing to lead me to believe he can win a title. I said the same thing about Green too, and it took a minute before the blinders were off for some on that one too. For what it's worth, i believe by conference play, Fancher will not be playing, but I hope we go 14-0 and Fancher has rhe greatest turn around in college sports history.

The difference in you and me is, I still have season football tickets, i still donate to the big green at the highest level. I still will buy bowl proxy tickets, and attend QB club events, be in the tip off and soccer club level at the highest level. I know you jumped up and down cheering when we fell short in basketball last year the last game, breathing a sign of relief. I was devastated, just the same as i was when we lost to bowling green. You celebrated and couldn't wait to post after we lost the cusa tournament last year, I was devastated, the same as when we lost to coastal and effectively ended our season last year. I want Marshall to succeed, and hope I'm wrong when I disagree with our coaching in any sport. You want marshall to fail so you're right.

That's our difference.

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You don't think Huff is a championship coach after 2 years. But have been ok with Dan for 10? Where is his regular season title in all those years? Oh I know, he got hot for one week when he had Elmore. Other than that? Well I hope to see you question our PG spot when basketball season gets a little closer like you do the QB spot. I guess we will see, huh?

[Big City]

@johnnyherd good question.

Typically during camp reps are split equally among 1st and 2nd teams with the bench stepping in where/when possible. As they move though camp and positions start to become solidified, the one will start to take more and more of the snaps/reps.

I wouldn't read much into this yet. End of august or game week will be the tell.

[MicDrass1]

Maybe they like a few Qbs equally.  That?s ok bc Fancher was 6-1 as a starter.  I think we have a good Qb with all the guys we have.  We need good OL and accurate Qb who values the ball.  We kick well and are opportunistic on D.  We are good!

[svherd]

The kid from Rice should be a solid back up. Huff stated the other day that he is very pleased with our OL and their improvement. Good news.

[herdloyal]

Being that we are into the first week anything is possible with a little imagination. I imagine that there is a surprise in the QB room and like the Oline development is bearing fruit that reimagined QB room is as well. This is so exciting to see what will happen on the field this season and 12-0 feels real good right now. What I hear from Coach Huff one very important element stands out ? Leadership among the experienced players has inspired the younger players and they are responding building a Culture! That should yield consistent results amounting to wins this season and the future of the program.

[ed swain]

We as fans have no right to know how the qb?s are doing  although we buy the tickets and support the athletic dept. This is BS.

[Johnnyherd]

@johnnyherd good question.

Typically during camp reps are split equally among 1st and 2nd teams with the bench stepping in where/when possible. As they move though camp and positions start to become solidified, the one will start to take more and more of the snaps/reps.

I wouldn't read much into this yet. End of august or game week will be the tell.

Thanks brother for the answer!  Yeah I had never heard of a 2 getting 50%.  I went back and listened to Trickett speak again and he said,

"the way we practice, Two spotting, allows the QBS to get equal reps and develep young guys and if they were anywhere else in the country (they would not get reps)"

now that I listened to it again I actually think he was talking about give reps to all the QBs during practices. 

Its just nothing I ve ever heard of but it sounds very interesting.

[ironcheftvdinner]

Two spotting is running the same set of plays on both ends of the field for a ?period? of practice.

An offense is going against a defense on each end of the field at the same time in other words. The way players are rotated in this situation can give each player on the team an equal amount of reps. Some will not because their position is deeper than others. In theory all players at all positions are getting a similar number of reps during camp.

[Johnnyherd]

Two spotting is running the same set of plays on both ends of the field for a ?period? of practice.

An offense is going against a defense on each end of the field at the same time in other words. The way players are rotated in this situation can give each player on the team an equal amount of reps. Some will not because their position is deeper than others. In theory all players at all positions are getting a similar number of reps during camp.

 Thanks for taking the time to answer my question and clarifying how 2 spotting works.  It sounds like an innovative way to develop players in practice.

[chris88]

Best teams generally are the best at utilizing practice time.

If the staff thinks Fancher is #1 than we have to assume he is the best. Trickett talked about they as coaches didn't put Cam in best position to succeed at times last year. He clearly got better as year went on but very inconsistent and inaccurate at times. Huff has talked about being more consistent in all phases. I'm feeling better about the season based on what i've heard, but we as fans haven't seen anything yet. I give the staff the benefit of doubt since they were open to tweaking lots of things. Remember I hemmed and hawed for a decade or more about our DB playing ball more and they finally did when Huff arrived. Look at the dividends that paid just vs Notre Dame. ECU game is big as they have a good offense. Some say our defense will be better. Truth is we just don't know. To win a title your QB has to be above average in your league if not one of top two or three. In past when we've had QB's at that level we have thrived. When not we have not come close to winning championships.

We were 6-5 ATS last year and were only underdogs in two games (ND and JMU) and we won both, but lost 4 times as a favorite. Other than BG, the defense was good. To win those tight games the offense has to be better and the X and Os need to be better as the SBC talent level is comparable among the better teams. Fans become true believers when team exceeds expectations for the season not just for one week or two.   

[Johnnyherd]

Two spotting is running the same set of plays on both ends of the field for a ?period? of practice.

An offense is going against a defense on each end of the field at the same time in other words. The way players are rotated in this situation can give each player on the team an equal amount of reps. Some will not because their position is deeper than others. In theory all players at all positions are getting a similar number of reps during camp.

So now that you explained it.  I would assume that TJ is running one offense and Cam is running the other and they get equal reps and then when they switch out Cole and Chase come in and get equal reps. 

So they are preparing two QBs to play and then developing 2 more QBs during practice because they all get to go against live defenses?  that's pretty smart and economical.

[goherd24]

Best teams generally are the best at utilizing practice time.

If the staff thinks Fancher is #1 than we have to assume he is the best. Trickett talked about they as coaches didn't put Cam in best position to succeed at times last year. He clearly got better as year went on but very inconsistent and inaccurate at times. Huff has talked about being more consistent in all phases. I'm feeling better about the season based on what i've heard, but we as fans haven't seen anything yet. I give the staff the benefit of doubt since they were open to tweaking lots of things. Remember I hemmed and hawed for a decade or more about our DB playing ball more and they finally did when Huff arrived. Look at the dividends that paid just vs Notre Dame. ECU game is big as they have a good offense. Some say our defense will be better. Truth is we just don't know. To win a title your QB has to be above average in your league if not one of top two or three. In past when we've had QB's at that level we have thrived. When not we have not come close to winning championships.

We were 6-5 ATS last year and were only underdogs in two games (ND and JMU) and we won both, but lost 4 times as a favorite. Other than BG, the defense was good. To win those tight games the offense has to be better and the X and Os need to be better as the SBC talent level is comparable among the better teams. Fans become true believers when team exceeds expectations for the season not just for one week or two.

Very good post, and while i disagree that Fancher got better as the year went on (bowl game for example. The schedule was relatively easy last 4 or 5 games as opponents were awful), i agree with everything else.

I also just found out that Fancher was playing injured about all year and was toughing it out. Not minor either, playing through real pain. That gives him points in my book for character, and hoping that was why he was missing so many throws.

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[chris88]

Very good post, and while i disagree that Fancher got better as the year went on (bowl game for example. The schedule was relatively easy last 4 or 5 games as opponents were awful), i agree with everything else.

I also just found out that Fancher was playing injured about all year and was toughing it out. Not minor either, playing through real pain. That gives him points in my book for character, and hoping that was why he was missing so many throws.

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As far as Cam getting better, I though (correct me if wrong) that his accuracy went up and TO's went down. But that was just from memory and could be mistaken.

[herdfan129]

Very good post, and while i disagree that Fancher got better as the year went on (bowl game for example. The schedule was relatively easy last 4 or 5 games as opponents were awful), i agree with everything else.

I also just found out that Fancher was playing injured about all year and was toughing it out. Not minor either, playing through real pain. That gives him points in my book for character, and hoping that was why he was missing so many throws.

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I think most of us knew he was hurt in the bowl game, but didn?t realize he was hurt most of the season.

Makes me even more excited for him in the future.

[svherd]

Thank goodness ECU lost their really good QB. best RB and a couple of WR's. They have to replace only one OL starter though. They have 6 starters back on defense. They play Michigan in their opener.

I think we win down in Greenville but it will be a dogfight, low scoring game. We can't give them any turnovers.

[goherd24]

As far as Cam getting better, I though (correct me if wrong) that his accuracy went up and TO's went down. But that was just from memory and could be mistaken.

They did, but you can't discount that it was against inferior competition either. He looked really bad against UConn, who isn't a world beater by any stretch. But again, I'm fine seeing what the kid can do not hurt, that info changes things. I'm still skeptical but i want him to succeed for gutting it our for his teammates like he did.

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[MicDrass1]

For me .. don?t care if you can run ... prefer a scrambler that is deadly accurate!  40 time doesn?t matter.  Chad Pennington

[ironcheftvdinner]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question and clarifying how 2 spotting works.  It sounds like an innovative way to develop players in practice.

You are welcome.

There is also a different way the team two spots during individual drills where there is a qb on one hash and another qb on the other working with receivers and backs at the same time with plays that work to their respective sideline.