Topic: ACC

[ThunderValley]

ACC taking Cal and Stanford? Saw it reported on ESPN

[goherd24]

ACC taking Cal and Stanford? Saw it reported on ESPN

If that happens, the pac 12 is gonna fold. Otherwise they'd just be the new AAC/Sunbelt mix. No way that'll happen. Imagine Marshall in the rose bowl vs Ohio State on a year they don't get forced into the playoffs, lol which will never happen once it expands

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[miltonherdfan]

No school in their right mind would pay a dime in exit fees from their current conference to start 1 from absolute nothing with Oregon state & Washington state. Those schools should be announcing tomorrow they're applying for membership to the MWC.

[Flat Tire 2]

Interesting article, below link from ESPN. Some good observations by Pete Thamel

"The potential additions of Cal and Stanford do not project to be financial game-changers, per sources. And while the addition of the academic prestige of schools like Cal and Stanford would certainly excite some ACC presidents, the fiscal upside appears limited.
"There's no windfall for the current members," the ACC source said, indicating that it's hard to envision any scenarios where it would be significantly additive for the current schools."
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38152204/acc-begin-discussing-cal-stanford-additions

I am glad MU seems to be settled in the SBC. A lot of other schools (in the AAC; PAC12 and maybe the MWC) are in for some interesting times.

[Always THE HERD]

Whatever happens (especially if the Sun Belt Texas teams leave), it will not be good for MU (at least from what I can tell thus far)

[Flat Tire 2]

Whatever happens (especially if the Sun Belt Texas teams leave), it will not be good for MU (at least from what I can tell thus far)

There is only one Texas team (Texas State) in the SBC and it is located in the Austin area (think U of Texas which is located in Austin). MU doesn't need a Texas based conference rival for travel expense reasons. 

[Always THE HERD]

There is only one Texas team (Texas State) in the SBC and it is located in the Austin area (think U of Texas which is located in Austin). MU doesn't need a Texas based conference rival for travel expense reasons.

I was only referencing the ESPN article regarding the ACC / PAC 12.

[miltonherdfan]

AAC is gonna be the conference hurting if G5 TX schools start moving.  i'd have zero problem with TSU leaving the SB.  if that happened & we really feel like we gotta have 14, the rest of our conference can suck up their pride & invite back 1 of the old SBC schools we left behind in CUSA.  or if the AAC really gets gutted beyond recognition, maybe ECU would be interested in replacing them.

[puma]

Whatever happens (especially if the Sun Belt Texas teams leave), it will not be good for MU (at least from what I can tell thus far)

I feel like the PAC surviving and taking teams from the AAC and MWC could be good for the Sun Belt. Texas State leaving and finding a home in either the AAC or MWC would likely benefit both the Sun Belt and Texas State. I'd be fine with the west division replacing Texas State with either WKU or Louisiana Tech.

But the more I read, the more it looks like the PAC has virtually no chance of survival. The conference is deeply in debt and Stanford and Cal likely have other options and would almost immediately jump ship. There's so much uncertainty that there really isn't anything to rebuild.

[SuperAnjario]

Whatever happens (especially if the Sun Belt Texas teams leave), it will not be good for MU (at least from what I can tell thus far)

Texas State leaving would be great for Marshall. 

[elginherd]

I feel like the PAC surviving and taking teams from the AAC and MWC could be good for the Sun Belt. Texas State leaving and finding a home in either the AAC or MWC would likely benefit both the Sun Belt and Texas State. I'd be fine with the west division replacing Texas State with either WKU or Louisiana Tech.

But the more I read, the more it looks like the PAC has virtually no chance of survival. The conference is deeply in debt and Stanford and Cal likely have other options and would almost immediately jump ship. There's so much uncertainty that there really isn't anything to rebuild.

My impression after doing some reading, is that at this moment Stanford would rather go independent that join the Big 12(ish).

[gochneaur645]

Now it's SMU to the ACC.

Gonna be really interesting to see what the American decides to do when they start losing teams.

[chris88]

IMO, this is nothing more than a big school shell game.

- They want a super league for FB consisting of biggest and most profitable schools
- The Big10 taking PAC12 schools, the SEC taking Oklahoma and Texas away from B12 etc is nothing more than maneuvering, imo, to get rid of the smaller sized P5 schools so they don't have to share the big money with them.
- They couldn't just kick out Wash St and Oregon St, so this is the runaround. Take your most profitable schools and move them. Once the smaller schools go somewhere else they can get on with next step in plan.
- Clemson to BIG10 or wherever is not about Clemson in short term. It is about getting rid of the Wake Forests of the world and anyone else that they deem as not serious enough to be competing at their level. The SEC will find a way to get rid of Vandy too.
- Their goal, IMO, is to create a multi-division college league set up like a pro league. The idea might eventually be the biggest schools playing FB in the super league but the other sports remaining in the leftover conferences. There would be no autobid ACC conference for FB. You are in the super league for FB or not and will abide by their playoff structure. My guess is that league might be capped at 24-28 schools eventually but not initially. ESPN will likely envision this as a way to have marguee superleague games on tv all day Saturday. Of course they can't be up front with all of this because of the potential legal jeopardy. Their pitch is create FOMO (fear of missing out) and get big schools to abandon traditional allegiances. They also need a place in the long run for schools like Rutgers to go when they are forced to determine they no longer have the will or resources to compete in that league. The lower division structure will allow that. So maybe it's 50-60 programs at first and then eventually 24-28 max.

I could be completely wrong but the lack of transparency about this smells rotten and it seems to be just a continuation of biggest 15-20 schools bullying everyone else to get what they want.

[Flat Tire 2]

Now it's SMU to the ACC.

Gonna be really interesting to see what the American decides to do when they start losing teams.

Correct, if the AAC starts to lose any schools it will get interesting at our level fast. I wouldn't mind if we lost Texas State and give the SBC a smaller footprint. We don't need to be in a conference that has schools west of the Mississippi River (Texas), except for the bordering states and it wouldn't upset me if they left.

I saw the tweet about SMU. I am guessing their are a lot of rumors out there at this time with the wealthier schools trying to gain a spot in a P5 conference. IMO, SMU doesn't make sense unless the ACC expects FSU to leave the conference or they want to use Dallas as a layover for the west coast trips to Cal and Stanford (if they add them). I don't think the ACC wants to lower the payouts and increase the expenses for the current members. I wouldn't be surprise if SMU started the rumor hoping to be noticed by a P5 school conference.

We need to start a separate conference expansion section for Herd Fans.  LOL

[MUfan08]

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1689017876500422656?s=20

[CJHerdgrad]

The funny thing is that the ACC goes clear to the west coast and Texas to get schools and WVU gets left out again.

[wasbarryb]

The funny thing is that the ACC goes clear to the west coast and Texas to get schools and WVU gets left out again.

I don't believe it's so much as the ACC leaving WVU out as it is the ACC ruling WVU out.

[marshallmark]

I don't believe it's so much as the ACC leaving WVU out as it is the ACC ruling WVU out.

Well, to be fair, WVU gets more money from being in the Big12 than it would in the ACC ($42 mil vs. $38 mil), and the exit/entrance fees might be cost prohibitive given its current financial condition. 

[Flat Tire 2]

Well, to be fair, WVU gets more money from being in the Big12 than it would in the ACC ($42 mil vs. $38 mil), and the exit/entrance fees might be cost prohibitive given its current financial condition.

Well, if you factor in travel expense the ACC might be a better option.

"In West Virginia?s first three years (2012-2015) in the Big 12, the university?s athletic department spent an average of $7.55 million on team travel. During the previous three years in the Big East, West Virginia?s team travel expenses cost an average of $4.79 million dollars."
https://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/112517/big-12-move-bumps-up-travel-time-costs-for-west-virginia

I picked UVA travel budget since the school is located in the same general part of the country. Team travel expense for UVA in the year 2021 was $5,124,955. Factor in inflation from the years 2012-2015 cited in the above wvu averaged travel for $7.55 million for the Big 12 and I would think the ACC is a better overall financial deal.
https://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/UniversityofVirginiaNCAA2021.pdf

In fairness, UVA could probably bus to most of the NC members in the ACC. I once saw the UNC basketball team with Dean Smith get off a bus in Lynchburg on their way to play a game at UVA.

As everyone realizes, wvu has been rebuffed for membership by the ACC for at least the last 40-50 years.

[wasbarryb]

Well, to be fair, WVU gets more money from being in the Big12 than it would in the ACC ($42 mil vs. $38 mil), and the exit/entrance fees might be cost prohibitive given its current financial condition.

Why would you want to be fair to the Chickeneers?  They've never been fair to us.

[MicDrass1]

Herd to ACC

[2xBison]

Texas State leaving would be great for Marshall.

Yes!


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[jdonaccbus]

Well, to be fair, WVU gets more money from being in the Big12 than it would in the ACC ($42 mil vs. $38 mil), and the exit/entrance fees might be cost prohibitive given its current financial condition.

The Big 12 really isn't showing signs of coming east. UC was about all WVU got during expansion. The new additions have WVU going to Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. The conference is making a move more towards the west.

The ACC currently has schools such as Virginia Tech, UVA, Pitt, Syracuse, etc that are far less of a travel hit than going to BYU and Arizona. I just don't see the ACC inviting WVU.

[Garbanjo]

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1689017876500422656?s=20

SMU.......

LMAO

[gochneaur645]

Well, to be fair, WVU gets more money from being in the Big12 than it would in the ACC ($42 mil vs. $38 mil), and the exit/entrance fees might be cost prohibitive given its current financial condition.

The Big 12 is also far more stable now. The ACC's very best case scenario is to live until 2036, but FSU and Clemson are going to do everything in their power to get out as quickly as possible. Once that happens, the floodgates open and they also lose Miami, UNC, and at least a couple others to the B1G and SEC.

This move toward SMU might be the ACC getting a head start on its inevitable backfilling with American teams.