Topic: Beating a dead horse - passing efficiency over the years

[banker]

Here is a listing that shows our best to worst years since 2013. The QB, the efficiency rating and the national rank for that year.

1. 2014 - Cato - 155.4 - 11th
2. 2013 - Cato - 147.8 - 27th
3. 2020 - Wells - 141.5 - 40th
4. 2021 - Wells - 139.0 - 62nd
5. 2016 - Litton - 137.9 - 49th
6. 2015 - Litton - 132.8 - 58th
7. 2017 - Litton - 131.4 - 60th
8. 2018 - Green - 128.2 - 75th
9. 2019 - Green - 125.4 - 82nd
10. 2023 - Fancher - 123.4 - 87th
11. 2022 - Fancher - 120.4 - 96th

When I look at that list I see the problem and what Huff saw. In 2020, as a freshman, Wells has just performed at a level just slightly below what Cato did as a junior. In other words, if I can convince him to stay, get him a few pieces, by years 2-3 of my tenure I?ll be killing it and be back in the P5 at a good program.

His plan was foiled when Wells regressed and then left. I don?t think he put a lot in to QB recruiting in the 20-21 class because he had Wells and didn?t plan on being here past his eligibility. He also didn?t lay good groundwork for the 21-22 class at QB because nobody knew Wells wouldn?t improve and then leave until November and you can?t wait till November to get serious about getting a good QB. Again he wasn?t already looking because he didn?t plan on being here.

So he had to go panic mode into the portal and there wasn?t much there. So now he goes into year two with a transfer and no bench. Columbi gets dinged and has to play Cam, but is probably thinking he is going to get a job off the Notre Dame win. That doesn?t happen, but we went 9-4 with Cam as a freshman and he?s not going to be here long enough to develop a new freshman, so he hopes Cam gets better and goes portal fishing for scraps again.

So now we are two years in to not getting new QB recruits, Cam isn?t working out and there?s no one behind him because Huff didn?t worry about the future. He has set us back more than we know by not planning on being here more than a few years.

[Johnnyherd]

I totally think this is correct.  I think Huff thought Cam would be able to throw 1-5 yard passes and make 1-5 yard runs and put together drives, add that to ALI running the ball and he had a solid 8-9 Win G5 team and his ticket out. 

[herd2win]

Plausible reason but his statements in this are all over the board.  Says he won't play injured players but keeps with a one legged Cam.  Any other coach would have switched it up during a losing skid but Huff is allowing Owen Porter to coach the team and make decisions apparently.

[muherd34]

Plausible reason but his statements in this are all over the board.  Says he won't play injured players but keeps with a one legged Cam.  Any other coach would have switched it up during a losing skid but Huff is allowing Owen Porter to coach the team and make decisions apparently.

Also says if a player doesn't execute they will be replaced.  Then in the next press conference when that doesn't fit his narrative it's who is best in practice, even though he said cam didn't practice for 2 weeks.  Just more lies and excuses from our leader.

[coloradoherd]

I honestly think Huff underestimated how hard the job would be and the quality of football in the G5. I think he thought he could use his Alabama clout to bring in a few P5 transfers, and then he would just easily blow the Sunbelt away with something they had never seen before, even with a really uncreative offensive scheme.

[Garbanjo]

It's quite clear Fluff didn't embrace the opportunity. He would have been loved in Huntington for leaving us in a better position. Instead he went for a quick fix and tried to leave at the first chance, when he clearly isn't ready for G5, let alone P5.

It's also quite clear we need to move on ASAP

Put Huff out

Go Herd!

[SuperAnjario]

Here is a listing that shows our best to worst years since 2013. The QB, the efficiency rating and the national rank for that year.

1. 2014 - Cato - 155.4 - 11th
2. 2013 - Cato - 147.8 - 27th
3. 2020 - Wells - 141.5 - 40th
4. 2021 - Wells - 139.0 - 62nd
5. 2016 - Litton - 137.9 - 49th
6. 2015 - Litton - 132.8 - 58th
7. 2017 - Litton - 131.4 - 60th
8. 2018 - Green - 128.2 - 75th
9. 2019 - Green - 125.4 - 82nd
10. 2023 - Fancher - 123.4 - 87th
11. 2022 - Fancher - 120.4 - 96th

When I look at that list I see the problem and what Huff saw. In 2020, as a freshman, Wells has just performed at a level just slightly below what Cato did as a junior. In other words, if I can convince him to stay, get him a few pieces, by years 2-3 of my tenure I?ll be killing it and be back in the P5 at a good program.

His plan was foiled when Wells regressed and then left. I don?t think he put a lot in to QB recruiting in the 20-21 class because he had Wells and didn?t plan on being here past his eligibility. He also didn?t lay good groundwork for the 21-22 class at QB because nobody knew Wells wouldn?t improve and then leave until November and you can?t wait till November to get serious about getting a good QB. Again he wasn?t already looking because he didn?t plan on being here.

So he had to go panic mode into the portal and there wasn?t much there. So now he goes into year two with a transfer and no bench. Columbi gets dinged and has to play Cam, but is probably thinking he is going to get a job off the Notre Dame win. That doesn?t happen, but we went 9-4 with Cam as a freshman and he?s not going to be here long enough to develop a new freshman, so he hopes Cam gets better and goes portal fishing for scraps again.

So now we are two years in to not getting new QB recruits, Cam isn?t working out and there?s no one behind him because Huff didn?t worry about the future. He has set us back more than we know by not planning on being here more than a few years.

Logic here is good, but it doesn?t excuse Huff.  Still completely failed.

[bbcard1]

In 2020, Grant's isolated QBR for Rice was 62.5, UAB 113.5 and the bowl 112.9. His ranking of 239.1 (gulp) against EKU. When he was good, he was good. When he was not, he was not.

[elginherd]

Logic here is good, but it doesn?t excuse Huff.  Still completely failed.

That's exactly what Banker said...no excuses for Huff and crew.

[Herd at Work]

Problem is Huff believes Ali is the second coming of Bradshaw. He is good but no a true workhorse back. Cam has never shown an ability to scare any defense enough to fear his passing. He isn't accurate on short to long throws. He has an elusive style of running, but with 8 or more in the box, it hard when have no way to scare them to spread the field. Cato would put the fear of God into texms when he moved in the pocket, Litton beyond the bone head plays could pass to all parts of the field.Grant had a good arm but at times tried to force throws. Pennington/Leftwich and Hill could pick apart defenses.

[wasbarryb]

It's quite clear Fluff didn't embrace the opportunity. He would have been loved in Huntington for leaving us in a better position. Instead he went for a quick fix and tried to leave at the first chance, when he clearly isn't ready for G5, let alone P5.

It's also quite clear we need to move on ASAP

Put Huff out

Go Herd!

So you're saying we should put Huff out of our misery.

[puma]

Here is a listing that shows our best to worst years since 2013. The QB, the efficiency rating and the national rank for that year.

1. 2014 - Cato - 155.4 - 11th
2. 2013 - Cato - 147.8 - 27th
3. 2020 - Wells - 141.5 - 40th
4. 2021 - Wells - 139.0 - 62nd
5. 2016 - Litton - 137.9 - 49th
6. 2015 - Litton - 132.8 - 58th
7. 2017 - Litton - 131.4 - 60th
8. 2018 - Green - 128.2 - 75th
9. 2019 - Green - 125.4 - 82nd
10. 2023 - Fancher - 123.4 - 87th
11. 2022 - Fancher - 120.4 - 96th

The scary thing is a few of those seasons are inflated solely because of Tyre Brady and not from particularly good QB play.

[banker]

In 2020, Grant's isolated QBR for Rice was 62.5, UAB 113.5 and the bowl 112.9. His ranking of 239.1 (gulp) against EKU. When he was good, he was good. When he was not, he was not.

Right, is bad was about like Cam?s average day.  He was a freshman that showed huge upside in 2020. You could chalk up his late season issues to freshman fatigue or other things. I think we all felt we most likely had a solid 4 year starter and I?m sure Huff saw it the same way. He was going to ride that and be gone.