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Fanbase .02
« on: December 07, 2023, 01:03:36 PM »
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  • Losing frustrates people and they often use message boards and social media to vent. Nothing new there.

    I try to not directly criticize players unless it's constructive because they were recruited to play at Marshall and most give it their all. Coaches, on the other hand, are free game when it comes to recruiting, schematics, winning/losing etc. You can do that without attacking the human being.

    Yes, some people will go too far and name players and use language/verbiage that shouldn't be used. I think, as a whole, the board does a pretty decent job self policing this to a large extent but after the most disappointing losses you should expect some of that. Much of it, imo, is building frustration that has been going on in two major sports for quite some time now.  Huff's hire and the win at Notre Dame alleviated that frustration but it hasn't been so good since then.

    All that being said, let's try to keep it in perspective:

    - This message board has what? 100 or so really active members? That post pretty frequently? And a bunch of others who chime in from time to time. Have no idea what the numbers are on social media. How many of really active members go out of their way to say much of anything negative about individual players? And especially being overly critical of a player without it tying back to the coaching?  In context I would guess very little...maybe 15-20 people max? And remember, thanking a post doesn't mean you totally agree with the entire thing.

    - So we have approx 25k that show up for games on a pretty regular basis. You probably have at least 3 times that actively engaged in watching/following on ESPN+, network tv, through other media/news outlets etc.  Most people I have heard that attend games regularly say they rarely hear booing and it's mostly directed at coaches when they do. So when a few hundred vocal minority aggregated in stands, on message boards, and on social media are too critical of our athletes we are somehow deemed to have a "horrible" fan base? Because a half of a percent of those actively involved in MU athletics in some form or another can't contain their emotions? At that percentage if you consider youth, mental health, general bitterness, those gambling, or just those who take these things wayyyyy too seriously....you would think you'd heard a lot more irrationality or simple lack of decorum.

    - Like many others here who played sports, coached it, watched own kids, and now referee it I get what the players feel sometimes. The fact is that negative and personal comments stay with you longer. A thousand people in stands may think you, as a referee or player, are doing a great job or at least doing your best but they are not generally verbalizing it.  It only takes one off cuff negative comment or two and those are the things you remember.  I was at MU/Cal Baptist soccer match a couple of weeks ago and two MU fans stood on sidelines at midfield verbally abusing the opposing players..often in lewd language. Literally two people in a crowd of 3,000 and I can assure you those players define our fanbase by those two people. I was embarrassed they supported Marshall. But this is where the coach needs to remind the players that those two and the other small vocal minority on message boards/stands/social media do not represent the majority of the fanbase.  The overwhelming majority of the fanbase even isn't on social media or anywhere online discussing MU sports. Most disappointed fans will just stop coming and contributing before directly criticizing players. The players (and families) are young and impressionable and should stay away from boards and social media but the coach, imo, did a real disservice by seemingly projecting the opinions of a very few on literally 10s of thousands of MU fans. That's tremendously poor leadership and creates a false narrative that many even on this board now seem to believe. Talk of shutting down the board and recruits not coming because a half a percent of a fanbases actions is highly irrational. We all can be better for sure and treat everyone like we'd want to be treated but let's not make it way bigger than it is.
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #1 on: December 07, 2023, 01:18:55 PM »
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  • This is my only form of social media.  I do not have Facebook, Twitter etc.  Great post and I agree 100%. 


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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #2 on: December 07, 2023, 02:26:49 PM »
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  • Good post Chris88. I also don't have any social media (FB/X/IG/TT, Etc.) Due to how busy I am with work and home life I don't get the chance to post much on here anymore. But when I do I never bash the players. Nothing wrong with critiquing performance but to out right call players trash or other disrespectful terms is pretty sh!tty. The coaches make the decisions on who plays and the frustrations should be directed at them. Most of the issues I've witnessed over the last 20 years have been the result of bad hires, poor recruiting, poor game planning, little to no player development and mind boggling coaching decisions. It's been on rinse and repeat from Snyder to Holliday to Huff. Hopefully the current admin gets it right this time but sadly I have my doubts.
     
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #3 on: December 07, 2023, 02:33:11 PM »
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  • Not criticizing Wolf or anyone else but FB Herdfans posts are so negative. I assume more people read them than on here. They are already criticizing Wells and it is from an X post not affiliated with he or Marshall. Negative here is among fans however FB is the Wild West
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #4 on: December 07, 2023, 02:52:39 PM »
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  • Not criticizing Wolf or anyone else but FB Herdfans posts are so negative. I assume more people read them than on here. They are already criticizing Wells and it is from an X post not affiliated with he or Marshall. Negative here is among fans however FB is the Wild West

    That's a big reason why I deleted all my accounts. Social media had become a cesspool of negativity.
     
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #5 on: December 07, 2023, 02:58:16 PM »
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  • Good post Chris88. I also don't have any social media (FB/X/IG/TT, Etc.) Due to how busy I am with work and home life I don't get the chance to post much on here anymore. But when I do I never bash the players. Nothing wrong with critiquing performance but to out right call players trash or other disrespectful terms is pretty sh!tty. The coaches make the decisions on who plays and the frustrations should be directed at them. Most of the issues I've witnessed over the last 20 years have been the result of bad hires, poor recruiting, poor game planning, little to no player development and mind boggling coaching decisions. It's been on rinse and repeat from Snyder to Holliday to Huff. Hopefully the current admin gets it right this time but sadly I have my doubts.

    I agree with your comments on someone calling Cam trash.  As I recall many posters called the original poster out on it at the time.  Wolf has always tried to run as open a board as possible. On balance I agree with his desire to keep things open and flexible.  Our athletes are people and have feelings, I understand that.  I hope they also have brains and the ability to see that the words of the occassional Ahole don't speak for everyone.
     
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #6 on: December 07, 2023, 03:14:23 PM »
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  • I can only speak for a myself and as a former Alumni and Herd fan when I say I don't/didn't hate Fancher in the least bit and would never wish ill will on him or any other players. He's not a very good QB in terms of FBS circumstances. In his defense he never had good coaching at this level IMO either but I think most of the ones that feel the same way will say he's a hard worker, very athletic and has a big heart and is a tough kid. It's not that he couldn't play on the FBS level but he just that the QB position is beyond his talent level (hence other schools recruiting him as a DB etc). Now on the other hand coaching comments with someone making hundreds of thousands of $ (Trickett etc.) to millions (Huff) is fair game IMO. Obviously not in a threatening way as to hurt or harm them but to their character, how they coach, run the program etc. With that being said I can't stand Huff. I think he's a fraud and a horrible coach and can't wait till he leaves or is fired especially over his egotistical attitude and comments about my Alumni and hometown. I wasn't a big Holiday fan at all not even in the slightest but Huff is by far the worst coach we've had since the glory days of Pruett and yes that includes Snyder and Holiday. Once again my opinion but I don't like his demeanor, attitude or coaching style and we are now worse since he took over this program. He caught lightning in a bottle against Notre Dame and that was I believe more the will of our players and them wanting to prove they could beat ND then anything to do with his own individual coaching. I hope he does resign today. Both Football and Basketball both needs overhauled big time immediately.
     

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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #7 on: December 07, 2023, 04:05:56 PM »
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  • Go to the message board of any school that has had a disappointing season.  You will see tons of crap directed at both the coach and the players.  In the stone ages, disciplined players learned not to read the paper.  Now, they have to learn to ignore social media.  I'm not justifying the fan conduct here but I suspect it is no different anywhere else. 
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #8 on: December 07, 2023, 04:13:45 PM »
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  • Go to the message board of any school that has had a disappointing season.  You will see tons of crap directed at both the coach and the players.  In the stone ages, disciplined players learned not to read the paper.  Now, they have to learn to ignore social media.  I'm not justifying the fan conduct here but I suspect it is no different anywhere else.

    You're right, it's like that most everywhere now. It's the few that drop a turd in the punch bowl.
     
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #9 on: December 07, 2023, 04:15:25 PM »
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  • What do you think most coaches say when their players play bad.  Worse than what fans say.
     
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #10 on: December 07, 2023, 04:17:06 PM »
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  • Huff knowing what he knows and fans don?t should not have said that.  But quote the player leaving instead.  Not the coach.
     

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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #11 on: December 07, 2023, 04:20:49 PM »
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  • Go to the message board of any school that has had a disappointing season.  You will see tons of crap directed at both the coach and the players.  In the stone ages, disciplined players learned not to read the paper.  Now, they have to learn to ignore social media.  I'm not justifying the fan conduct here but I suspect it is no different anywhere else.

    It was much worse at South Carolina the last two years of the Brad Scott...and for economic reasons for some of the businesses and property owners.
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    Re: Fanbase .02
    « Reply #11 on: December 07, 2023, 04:20:49 PM »