Topic: Missouri State

[Tim Hensley]

I got a text that we have a football home and home with Missouri State.  Not impressed.  Is this the big scheduling announcement that Spears has be touting?  If so, I guess he has decided to go ahead and surrender to it.  Our best times are behind us...!

[MUther]

We had teams cancel on us under the two year mark.  Should be happy it's at least going to be an FBS game.  Wait till our schedules reflect no more games with P4 based on their withdrawal.  All that should be said is good job getting someone on short notice willing to come here.

[HerdEcon]

We had teams cancel on us under the two year mark.  Should be happy it's at least going to be an FBS game.  Wait till our schedules reflect no more games with P4 based on their withdrawal.  All that should be said is good job getting someone on short notice willing to come here.

I agree.  We don't pay a lot of $$ to visiting teams nor are we located in a recruiting hotbed or highly populated area.  We aren't in a P4 conference or in an area with a lot of P4 alumni.  We also aren't in a state that our legislature has passed a law requiring in-state FBS schools play one another.  We haven't been racking up championships lately nor do we bring huge tv ratings.  We got a home game with a fellow FBS school on short notice. 

[mu79grad]

We had teams cancel on us under the two year mark.  Should be happy it's at least going to be an FBS game.  Wait till our schedules reflect no more games with P4 based on their withdrawal.  All that should be said is good job getting someone on short notice willing to come here.

No way I'm I happy that we cancelled a home and home contract with ECU for a contract with Missouri State.  I still can't imagine what Christian Spears was thinking.  If he could give a rationalization for his thinking, then at least we'd know where he was coming from. 

[Flat Tire 2]

No way I'm I happy that we cancelled a home and home contract with ECU for a contract with Missouri State.  I still can't imagine what Christian Spears was thinking.  If he could give a rationalization for his thinking, then at least we'd know where he was coming from.

ECU cancelled the game. They drop the Marshall game and added a money game since we had to drop our visit to ECU due to covid. The  covid cancellation ended the contract and the ECU AD wanted to play teams closer like CCU which would be a bus trip versus flying to Huntington.

"In addition to canceling the Boise State series, ECU has also added an FCS game against Campbell for the 2025 season. The Pirates will now open that year at NC State, host Campbell, and welcome BYU to Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium on Sept. 20. The game at Marshall, scheduled for that season, has been canceled. The Thundering Herd's trip to Greenville for the 2020 season, which was canceled due to COVID, will also not be made up."

https://247sports.com/college/east-carolina/article/jordan-miles-ecu-football-recruiting-commitment-2025-class-233325424/

[MUther]

No way I'm I happy that we cancelled a home and home contract with ECU for a contract with Missouri State.  I still can't imagine what Christian Spears was thinking.  If he could give a rationalization for his thinking, then at least we'd know where he was coming from.

ECU cancelled, since the series was even, and Army cancelled to make a conference schedule.   As long as realignment is ongoing schedules are in flux.  We've certainly been hit by it more than most, starting with Louisville in 2014 being moved to 2016 and probably costing us the access bowl because of weak SOS even with the OT loss to WKU.  We've had independents on the schedule that joined conferences like Liberty and Army.  And our conference move so quick forced us into having 2 FCS teams to replace App St who became a conference game.  These don't even cover COVID games we lost with Pitt and Boise, replaced with App and UMass last minute, or the South Carolina game due to a freakin hurricane.  At least the USC game got us in VTs good graces, as we were able to help them out late in the season, and they've played us since. Oh and NAvy cancelled the return game here we also had to replace.

That's a lot of schedule turmoil over the last decade with only the conference move to the 'belt being our fault.  They've dealt with it as best they could.  But sure, crying about it seems like the best move.

[Tim Hensley]

Another rumor sez that we have signed to play football at Georgia and also with another bigee.  If so, I stand corrected.

[mu79grad]

ECU cancelled the game. They drop the Marshall game and added a money game since we had to drop our visit to ECU due to covid. The  covid cancellation ended the contract and the ECU AD wanted to play teams closer like CCU which would be a bus trip versus flying to Huntington.

"In addition to canceling the Boise State series, ECU has also added an FCS game against Campbell for the 2025 season. The Pirates will now open that year at NC State, host Campbell, and welcome BYU to Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium on Sept. 20. The game at Marshall, scheduled for that season, has been canceled. The Thundering Herd's trip to Greenville for the 2020 season, which was canceled due to COVID, will also not be made up."

https://247sports.com/college/east-carolina/article/jordan-miles-ecu-football-recruiting-commitment-2025-class-233325424/

Christian Spears cancelled this series.  I don't know how to go back in the herdfans archives but I quoted word for word from an inside Marshall source that Spears cancelled this game.  All I desire is an explanation from Spears why he cancelled.  ECU officials were stunned that Spears desired to cancel this series.

[MicDrass1]

The AD does a targeted search for his schedule making

[Flat Tire 2]

Christian Spears cancelled this series.  I don't know how to go back in the herdfans archives but I quoted word for word from an inside Marshall source that Spears cancelled this game.  All I desire is an explanation from Spears why he cancelled.  ECU officials were stunned that Spears desired to cancel this series.

There was no series (one for one series) after the covid game was cancelled. The contract was in effect cancelled.  ECU decided instead of a new series, they opted for a FCS home game instead of having a home game against Marshall. ECU would make more money off the FCS game than paying Marshall a higher guarantee. I use to live on the Carolina coast near ECU and knew a lot of ECU fans. That is what one well contacted ECU fan told what happened. Maybe Marshall wanted a higher payout since we lost the home game? I don't know, but ECU went in another direction.

To be honest, ECU has never been that interested in having a series with Marshall. We went years without playing them before we became conference mates while ECU always was more interested with having a series with wvu.  ECU was a conference member with wvu in the Southern Conference. After the plane crash we played ECU only game before the bowl game, that was one game in a 31 year period! Besides being conference mates in CUSA, we never much of a relationship with ECU in any sports. Now ECU believes they are in a better conference than Marshall.

With the problem we are currently having getting games, do you really think Spears would be concealing games? ECU and Marshall have to run programs to make money, that is the bottom line.

[MUther]

There was no series (one for one series) after the covid game was cancelled. The contract was in effect cancelled.  ECU decided instead of a new series, they opted for a FCS home game instead of having a home game against Marshall. ECU would make more money off the FCS game than paying Marshall a higher guarantee. I use to live on the Carolina coast near ECU and knew a lot of ECU fans. That is what one well contacted ECU fan told what happened. Maybe Marshall wanted a higher payout since we lost the home game? I don't know, but ECU went in another direction.

To be honest, ECU has never been that interested in having a series with Marshall. We went years without playing them before we became conference mates while ECU always was more interested with having a series with wvu.  ECU was a conference member with wvu in the Southern Conference. After the plane crash we played ECU only game before the bowl game, that was one game in a 31 year period! Besides being conference mates in CUSA, we never much of a relationship with ECU in any sports. Now ECU believes they are in a better conference than Marshall.

With the problem we are currently having getting games, do you really think Spears would be concealing games? ECU and Marshall have to run programs to make money, that is the bottom line.

Doesn't help we finally beat their butts in Greenville, too.  I think the confusion is where Spears magnanimously called the dissolution of the series mutual.  We had no motivation to cancel the series but they did and Spears just chose not to burn that bridge for the future.  We may end up conference mates again or find each other needing a game.  No reason for us to throw a fit over it and lose any chance of what I consider to be a natural rivalry.  I really miss USM and ECU being in the same division with us, even though we got the short end most years due to a bad hire. 

The 2013 game, sending ECU out the door to the AAC, is one of my all time favorite Marshall games.  Made things very tough for their all-world QB, whose name escapes me, now.  Cardiff, maybe?  Something like that.

[coalherd]

I agree.  We don't pay a lot of $$ to visiting teams nor are we located in a recruiting hotbed or highly populated area.  We aren't in a P4 conference or in an area with a lot of P4 alumni.  We also aren't in a state that our legislature has passed a law requiring in-state FBS schools play one another.  We haven't been racking up championships lately nor do we bring huge tv ratings.  We got a home game with a fellow FBS school on short notice.

Guys, this post is spot on.  We are not in a "recruiting hotbed".  Moreover, the top D! recruits in and around Huntington, like at Spring Valley, have managed to be rounded up by Power Schools without any of them having to play at MU.  That thanks to a run of very "ho-hum", run-of-the-mill Head Coaching hired by MU in the last decade or decade and a half!!!

Then, too, look at the approaches in scheduling taken by Quality Power Schools in "enlightened" states like VA, North Carolina, etc.  Not uncommon to see the Virginias, Virginia Techs, NC States, UNCs, etc., playing other in State schools, including G5, and even occasional FCS schools, almost every season in OOC play.  Compare that to the arrogant and petty approach to such "in state" scheduling by the knuckle dragging Neanderthals up in Morganhole!!!  Their chicken manure scheduling policy is defended and rationalized by their equally asinine and arrogant delusion about being some exalted and self-proclaimed "flagship" in higher education in West Virginia.  Note you won't see such constant boasts and self back-slapping by such prestigious schools as UVA and UNC who have overall in the academic world left the University of SW PA in the dust!!

The above couple of main factors thus help make MU's efforts in quality OOC scheduling that much more difficult, IMO.

[herdfan48]

Doesn't help we finally beat their butts in Greenville, too.  I think the confusion is where Spears magnanimously called the dissolution of the series mutual.  We had no motivation to cancel the series but they did and Spears just chose not to burn that bridge for the future.  We may end up conference mates again or find each other needing a game.  No reason for us to throw a fit over it and lose any chance of what I consider to be a natural rivalry.  I really miss USM and ECU being in the same division with us, even though we got the short end most years due to a bad hire. 

The 2013 game, sending ECU out the door to the AAC, is one of my all time favorite Marshall games.  Made things very tough for their all-world QB, whose name escapes me, now.  Cardiff, maybe?  Something like that.

That's the same game that Dobson made the one handed TD catch. While it was a great catch it was a horrible no call by the side Judge for what was obvious PI with the ECU defender holding one of Dobsons arms down


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[mu79grad]

ECU cancelled, since the series was even, and Army cancelled to make a conference schedule.   As long as realignment is ongoing schedules are in flux.  We've certainly been hit by it more than most, starting with Louisville in 2014 being moved to 2016 and probably costing us the access bowl because of weak SOS even with the OT loss to WKU.  We've had independents on the schedule that joined conferences like Liberty and Army.  And our conference move so quick forced us into having 2 FCS teams to replace App St who became a conference game.  These don't even cover COVID games we lost with Pitt and Boise, replaced with App and UMass last minute, or the South Carolina game due to a freakin hurricane.  At least the USC game got us in VTs good graces, as we were able to help them out late in the season, and they've played us since. Oh and NAvy cancelled the return game here we also had to replace.

That's a lot of schedule turmoil over the last decade with only the conference move to the 'belt being our fault.  They've dealt with it as best they could.  But sure, crying about it seems like the best move.

Call it crying if you will but you really helped to make my point.  We had a guaranteed game with an outstanding opponent and then we said we wanted out (supposedly because ECU did not fit into Spears scheduling philosophy).  The other games you mentioned, for the most part, were indeed out of our control, the ECU game was definitely in our control.

[coalherd]

As for MUther's comment about ". . . sending ECU out the door to the AAC, . . ." in 2013 being one of his favorite games, one of mine is when the HERD sent Maryland out of the ACC with a big "L" on their way to the Big Ten with our win in the Military Bowl in Annapolis a few seasons back.  Guess schools planning on "Conference Hopping" shouldn't do it after a season when they have the HERD slated for a game at or near that season's end!!!

[MUther]

That's the same game that Dobson made the one handed TD catch. While it was a great catch it was a horrible no call by the side Judge for what was obvious PI with the ECU defender holding one of Dobsons arms down


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I think Dobson's catch was 2011 when they were here. 

[MUther]

Call it crying if you will but you really helped to make my point.  We had a guaranteed game with an outstanding opponent and then we said we wanted out (supposedly because ECU did not fit into Spears scheduling philosophy).  The other games you mentioned, for the most part, were indeed out of our control, the ECU game was definitely in our control.

Yes, saying ECU cancelled makes your point that Marshall cancelled.  ECU cancelled the game and Spears made it sound mutual to protect our relationship with them for the future.  I do call it crying.   It's how it is and we dealt with it the best we can.  Missouri St will be FBS and is about the same drive away and frankly may be better than ECU at that point.  ECU has been down more than us most of a decade and no longer has a strong conference to draw reputation from.

[Flat Tire 2]

Christian Spears cancelled this series.  I don't know how to go back in the herdfans archives but I quoted word for word from an inside Marshall source that Spears cancelled this game.  All I desire is an explanation from Spears why he cancelled.  ECU officials were stunned that Spears desired to cancel this series.

Well I have done some research for your mystery post. Here is what I found, just a couple of posts by you. Also someone posted that Spears cancelled the game per a  Facebook post. Is FB a good source? Who really cares who canceled the one remaining game since the other game in the series was cancelled by Covid.


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Quote from: svherd on December 13, 2023, 10:26:12 AM

    ECU cancelled it. They also cancelled a home game with Boise. Their program is a wreck, going soft for their new staff and trying to rack up wins.


I have it on very good authority that Spears cancelled.  However, I sincerely doubt the truth will ever be know.
https://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=117401.msg1050766#msg1050766

[whf]

Missouri State University has an enrollment approximately 1.6 times larger than ours, first class of 20,000 was in 2005.

[Johns1124]

Missouri State University has an enrollment approximately 1.6 times larger than ours, first class of 20,000 was in 2005.

What does that have to do with anything?

Gonzaga is 1/2 our enrollment, and I still wouldn't want to take them on in Basketball.

[whf]

What does that have to do with anything?

Gonzaga is 1/2 our enrollment, and I still wouldn't want to take them on in Basketball.
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Point is they aren't some small resource university; you knew my point.  We aren't playing Gonzaga in football any time soon.

[Thundering In MD]

This is a sad announcement.  We should be scheduling better.

[HerdEcon]

What does that have to do with anything?

Gonzaga is 1/2 our enrollment, and I still wouldn't want to take them on in Basketball.
[/quote

Point is they aren't some small resource university; you knew my point.  We aren't playing Gonzaga in football any time soon.

Mainly because Gonzaga does not have a football team. 

[elginherd]

This is a sad announcement.  We should be scheduling better.

It would be nice, but easier said than done.

[whf]

Mainly because Gonzaga does not have a football team.

Last time I checked, they did play basketball.