Topic: Ohio State Thoughts

[mu1995]

The announcers commented that Coaches like Huff get more out of a player.  I would argue he tends to get less and underperform with the talent he has.

The attempt on 4th and 1 at the 50 when the game was still within reach was a coaching error.  If that ball is on their 40 or in, I am all for the gamble. 

Offensive Design for most of the the first half was good.  It forced Ohio State to flatten  out their safeties.  The problem was we did not adjust/progress in plays once that occurred.  That would have been the time to try for a 10-15 yard pass and at least one or two long balls. 

Our offensive design has completely lost effective use of tight ends. We have a talented slot receiver and wide receiver that need to be targeted more.

Earle did play significantly better than at VT which was a really bad performance.  These coaches though are not good at QB development.

This offensive does not resemble an air raid offense.  Looks more like an RPO.

Payne is a situational back.  Tough kid but he is very slow on many
carries.  Houston is about the same.  Turner seems underutilized and I would have expected more carries for him..

Defensive is slow and that was compounded by being way out of position.  Ohios State is basically a semi-pro football team but defensive effort looked like middle of the pack FCS againt their talent.

Ohio State should have spread some of that 20+ million on a place kicker.

[MicDrass1]

Herd could have played a lot better in this game. 

[MUther]

The attempt on 4th and 1 at the 50 when the game was still within reach was a coaching error.  If that ball is on their 40 or in, I am all for the gamble. 

This is exactly where you try stuff like this.  Have to create your own breaks against a team like that.  Making every effort to keep the ball in our possession is the only answer and I was glad they sacked up and tried.

This is a hindsight issue.  If it worked he'd be a genius, if i didn't he's not so smart.  The important part was showiing he wasn't afraid of them.

[herdorbust2]

This is exactly where you try stuff like this.  Have to create your own breaks against a team like that.  Making every effort to keep the ball in our possession is the only answer and I was glad they sacked up and tried.

This is a hindsight issue.  If it worked he'd be a genius, if i didn't he's not so smart.  The important part was showiing he wasn't afraid of them.

Agree 100%. You don't beat a team this good without going for that. If it had been 4th and 5 then no. But 4th and inches yes. Because you want to keep that offense off the field if at all possible while continuing to eat clock and possibly scoring. OSU was averaging 17 yards a play and was just destroying our D with their speed and weapons. I loved that call and Hiff did the right thing there. If Earl hadn't slipped and got it everyone would have been saying what guys and a great call. You have to make your plays in games like this and not think you can just line up and beat teams this good being conservative.

[MicDrass1]

It was ruled a 1st down anyways then back from commercial break it?s 4th down.  Refs cheated.  They knew what a stop would do. 

[parshall2marshall]

Total misconceptions. You don't go for it on 4th and 1 at midfield early in the game when you are outmanned. Pruett tried the same thing early at UF in 2001 and it did not go well, leading to a 35-0 Herd deficit at the half.

If you are going to go for it on 4th and a foot you don't roll the QB and throw a wild pass into the flat like we did later in the game already trailing by a bunch. If you can't at least try to get 1 foot then take the paycheck and pack up to board the bus home.

[herdfan129]

Going for it on the 4th down was ABSOLUTELY the right call. Huff did a good job today imo

[banker]

Here?s the simple question - how many defensive stops did we get before they emptied their bench in the 4th?  Answer - 1. They were scoring a TD per every 1:37 of offensive possession, didn?t matter if they had to go 75 yards or 45 yards.

Given that, unless you can score every time you are going to lose.  Field position was having zero impact on their ability to score. Therefore you go for it on every 4th and short unless you are in the shadow of your goal.

[parshall2marshall]

Here?s the simple question - how many defensive stops did we get before they emptied their bench in the 4th?  Answer - 1. They were scoring a TD per every 1:37 of offensive possession, didn?t matter if they had to go 75 yards or 45 yards.

Given that, unless you can score every time you are going to lose.  Field position was having zero impact on their ability to score. Therefore you go for it on every 4th and short unless you are in the shadow of your goal.

We did NOT know that they were going to score on almost every possession ( until a 15-yard penalty on the OSU coach led to our first "stop" midway thru the 3rd ) at the point that the poor decision to go for it was made. Have some freakin' faith in your D for goodness sakes. You make them go the length of the field.

If you and your players are going to state post-game that you were going to "give no quarter" or whatever rhetoric then at least follow basic football strategy. Computers or whatever may state a team should always for it on 4th no matter what BUT you don't actually see that. Doc kept his job for 10 years with mediocre conservative football.

[Garbanjo]

Here?s the simple question - how many defensive stops did we get before they emptied their bench in the 4th?  Answer - 1. They were scoring a TD per every 1:37 of offensive possession, didn?t matter if they had to go 75 yards or 45 yards.

Given that, unless you can score every time you are going to lose.  Field position was having zero impact on their ability to score. Therefore you go for it on every 4th and short unless you are in the shadow of your goal.

Our DC is atrocious

[parshall2marshall]

Our DC is atrocious

Some definite cause from concern. The real and important performances are just around the corner. We'll know more soon.

[IM4DHERD]

All we can take from this game is the positives.  We looked pretty damn good vs #3 OSU who, by they way, paid out $20M from their own budget to buy some of the highest ranked players in the nation. This does NOT include additional payments to individual players paid from individual NIL contracts, maybe another $20M??  Most, and I understand all, of their top Junior players from last year who could have normally declared for the draft stayed because they had not won a conference championship nor beaten Michigan not to mention being paid perhaps a million or more to do so.  We looked really good against them.  We did not quit at the end, we merely gave some kids a chance to play in that atmosphere and show what they had while protecting our best players from injury vs. one of the most, if not the most, talented teams in the US of A.

[banker]

We did NOT know that they were going to score on almost every possession ( until a 15-yard penalty on the OSU coach led to our first "stop" midway thru the 3rd ) at the point that the poor decision to go for it was made. Have some freakin' faith in your D for goodness sakes. You make them go the length of the field.

If you and your players are going to state post-game that you were going to "give no quarter" or whatever rhetoric then at least follow basic football strategy. Computers or whatever may state a team should always for it on 4th no matter what BUT you don't actually see that. Doc kept his job for 10 years with mediocre conservative football.

So the important thing is for the coach to keep his job even if it?s mediocre conservative football?

Before we went on that 4th and one they had run 6 plays and gained 97 yards. Yes, we already knew we weren?t stopping them.  Stone just made the wrong read, should have handed off to the running back. It was the right thing to go for it.

[herdorbust2]

We did NOT know that they were going to score on almost every possession ( until a 15-yard penalty on the OSU coach led to our first "stop" midway thru the 3rd ) at the point that the poor decision to go for it was made. Have some freakin' faith in your D for goodness sakes. You make them go the length of the field.

If you and your players are going to state post-game that you were going to "give no quarter" or whatever rhetoric then at least follow basic football strategy. Computers or whatever may state a team should always for it on 4th no matter what BUT you don't actually see that. Doc kept his job for 10 years with mediocre conservative football.

Sure we knew they would score everytime. They were averaging 17 yards everytime they touched the ball. You punt and it takes them  4 plays to score instead of 2.

[Tim Hensley]

No, I didn't expect to beat or play a close game with Ohio State.  But I've had enough of Huff.

[parshall2marshall]

If it was the right call we would have made a first down. 23 years later doing the same stupid anti-football decisions. What does the "importance" of Doc keeping his job have anything to do with the call ? He was moderately successful with his mentality - there was statistic once posted on air about how successful he was with basically going into shell with a very slim lead, much to the displeasure of our fans. Well over 90% of the time holding onto usually slim leads. But I know we weren't playing Top 5 teams and we were not going to win Saturday in any way, shape or form so I guess you guys could say it doesn't matter if we roll the dice and lose by 35 or 55. I guess Bust didn't see all the times we held them to less than 5 yards on a play or all the SOFT missed high tackles. Looked like "Chinese fire drill" on D as they used to say back in the day.

[mu1995]

If I am not mistaken, the prior offensive srties by OSU was the interception.  That was my personal reasoning on why I think you punt and try to pin them inside their own 10.  In most cases you would play run oriented defense and bait the QB who just threw an interception to throw.  I say typically because after that decision they started scoring at will, primarily by run but also with short passes with all the YAC you could hope for.

[MicDrass1]

We can?t tackle.  It?s been this way against Stony Brooke.  Huff knows it. It?s fb scheme better.  This isn?t the NFL.

[NewfieHerdFan]

Just got back from the weekend in Columbus. Had a great time at The Shoe. Staff were very friendly and Ohio State fans I encountered were very cordial and complimentary of Marshall. Overall, thought the game day atmosphere was excellent.

[HerdEcon]

If we play the rest of the season like we did the first offensive possession the we could be competing for a championship.  Huff may earn that short contract extension. 

The OSU offense is fast.  Our defense looked slow and out of position the entire game.  Our OL had their best game of the short season. 

[herdfan48]

Just got back from the weekend in Columbus. Had a great time at The Shoe. Staff were very friendly and Ohio State fans I encountered were very cordial and complimentary of Marshall. Overall, thought the game day atmosphere was excellent.

I also enjoyed it and had the same type of experience. All of the Buckeye fans around me are from Ashland and Wheelersburg. One is actually a recent MU grad, but was wearing scarlet and gray which is pretty sad.


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[FilmJunky]

SCARED MONEY DON'T MAKE MONEY!!

I thought despite the outcomes there were more positives than negatives. I have no issue with going for it on 4th down, my issue is the play call in that moment. Just hand it off please. Earle loses his footing quite often actually. You don't have a chance against teams like Ohio State playing conservative. It was clear Ohio State was going to score at will whether it was 2 play drives or 20 play drives. They are the fastest most talented offense in the country at the skill positions.

If Marshall gets consistent QB play and the defense plays like it did the first half against VT, this team has a real shot to compete for the east. The SBC is not good.