Topic: WHEN WILL MARSHALL FANS REALIZE

[FilmJunky]

When will Marshall fans realize... That no coach under the age of 50 wants to actually stay here for a long time in a sport like football or basketball. This is a stepping stone job for younger coaches. The college athletics landscape is way different than it was in the 1990's. I think its absolute asinine to fault any coach that does an interview for a better job (Huff last couple years /Caldwell). Or heck interview for a job when you aren't guaranteed one next year. (Huff this year). If you did not have a job lined up after next week and you had kids and a family what would you do? Every coaches dream is to have a premier job! Get that through your heads!! Yes, we can afford to pay Grassie the best in the country for a sport like soccer, but we cannot do that for football or basketball . It would cripple our Athletic Dept.

We have to get over the "oh we need someone who wants to be here" nonsense and worry about getting coaches who win games. So what if we get a new coach every few years. If other schools want them...They have to be doing something right.

This is going to look bad on Marshalls athletic dept. if Huff does go to Southern Miss. regardless of whatever negotiations have or have not been done if he leaves for a 1-11 program from us it is a terrible look. But 90% of you would rather Doc ride off into the sunset whenever he wants and cripple the program.

[MIA]

Spot on post. 

[BigJimslade]

When will Marshall fans realize... That no coach under the age of 50 wants to actually stay here for a long time in a sport like football or basketball. This is a stepping stone job for younger coaches. The college athletics landscape is way different than it was in the 1990's. I think its absolute asinine to fault any coach that does an interview for a better job (Huff last couple years /Caldwell). Or heck interview for a job when you aren't guaranteed one next year. (Huff this year). If you did not have a job lined up after next week and you had kids and a family what would you do? Every coaches dream is to have a premier job! Get that through your heads!! Yes, we can afford to pay Grassie the best in the country for a sport like soccer, but we cannot do that for football or basketball . It would cripple our Athletic Dept.

We have to get over the "oh we need someone who wants to be here" nonsense and worry about getting coaches who win games. So what if we get a new coach every few years. If other schools want them...They have to be doing something right.

This is going to look bad on Marshalls athletic dept. if Huff does go to Southern Miss. regardless of whatever negotiations have or have not been done if he leaves for a 1-11 program from us it is a terrible look. But 90% of you would rather Doc ride off into the sunset whenever he wants and cripple the program.

I think most Herd fans realize what you post. I think it is you who has misread the room on this.

[Teacherd]

Anyone thinking logically should have known that Huff would only be here long enough to build his resume and move on to bigger and brighter horizons. It would be a win for him and the Herd if he succeeded. He would get a more prestigious coaching gig, and the Herd Football team would be left in good shape for the next head coach. The college football landscape has changed since the days of Donnan and Pruett, and teams like Marshall and teams not from the Big Four conferences are on the way outside looking in. The NIL and playoff system are designed to help the haves in college football, not the have-nots. College football is going backward to a time when only a very few football programs had a shot at being relevant on the college football landscape 

[MUther]

Anyone thinking logically should have known that Huff would only be here long enough to build his resume and move on to bigger and brighter horizons. It would be a win for him and the Herd if he succeeded. He would get a more prestigious coaching gig, and the Herd Football team would be left in good shape for the next head coach. The college football landscape has changed since the days of Donnan and Pruett, and teams like Marshall and teams not from the Big Four conferences are on the way outside looking in. The NIL and playoff system are designed to help the haves in college football, not the have-nots. College football is going backward to a time when only a very few football programs had a shot at being relevant on the college football landscape

From here on out the cupboard will always be bare for the next coach as the previous coach was fired for suckage or left and and took anyone worth a crap with him.  Gone are the days of leaving the cupboard full for the next guy.

[VA Herd Fan]

When will Marshall fans realize... That no coach under the age of 50 wants to actually stay here for a long time in a sport like football or basketball. This is a stepping stone job for younger coaches. The college athletics landscape is way different than it was in the 1990's. I think its absolute asinine to fault any coach that does an interview for a better job (Huff last couple years /Caldwell). Or heck interview for a job when you aren't guaranteed one next year. (Huff this year). If you did not have a job lined up after next week and you had kids and a family what would you do? Every coaches dream is to have a premier job! Get that through your heads!! Yes, we can afford to pay Grassie the best in the country for a sport like soccer, but we cannot do that for football or basketball . It would cripple our Athletic Dept.

We have to get over the "oh we need someone who wants to be here" nonsense and worry about getting coaches who win games. So what if we get a new coach every few years. If other schools want them...They have to be doing something right.

This is going to look bad on Marshalls athletic dept. if Huff does go to Southern Miss. regardless of whatever negotiations have or have not been done if he leaves for a 1-11 program from us it is a terrible look. But 90% of you would rather Doc ride off into the sunset whenever he wants and cripple the program.

There is a difference in "wanting to be here now" and wanting to be here forever".  Continually having your name floating around for every open spot seemingly for 2 plus years tells me, you don't "want to be here".

[Mako]

There are some distinctions. 

Caldwell left for Tennessee.  That's comparable to leaving Marshall for Georgia or Alabama or Ohio State in football.  No one could resist that opportunity nor should they even if it came after only being here for one year.  OTOH, Huff interviewed for Duke in his first year and didn't even try to hide it.  I suspect coaches interview for positions all the damn time but they aren't public about it.  Yes, Duke would be a step up from Marshall but it's not Alabama or Ohio State. 

I don't think anyone realistically expected Huff to stick around forever.  Indeed, I said that the best case scenario would be for him to be so successful in 3 or 4 years that someone hired him.  I still feel that way.  But, it really rankled fans when he interviewed for Duke in only his first season and I think they had a right to be irritated. 

[FilmJunky]

There are some distinctions. 

Caldwell left for Tennessee.  That's comparable to leaving Marshall for Georgia or Alabama or Ohio State in football.  No one could resist that opportunity nor should they even if it came after only being here for one year.  OTOH, Huff interviewed for Duke in his first year and didn't even try to hide it.  I suspect coaches interview for positions all the damn time but they aren't public about it.  Yes, Duke would be a step up from Marshall but it's not Alabama or Ohio State. 

I don't think anyone realistically expected Huff to stick around forever.  Indeed, I said that the best case scenario would be for him to be so successful in 3 or 4 years that someone hired him.  I still feel that way.  But, it really rankled fans when he interviewed for Duke in only his first season and I think they had a right to be irritated.

Duke is a P5 job and a better job that Marshall. Darn Huff for wanting to move up

[BigJimslade]

Anyone thinking logically should have known that Huff would only be here long enough to build his resume and move on to bigger and brighter horizons. It would be a win for him and the Herd if he succeeded. He would get a more prestigious coaching gig, and the Herd Football team would be left in good shape for the next head coach. The college football landscape has changed since the days of Donnan and Pruett, and teams like Marshall and teams not from the Big Four conferences are on the way outside looking in. The NIL and playoff system are designed to help the haves in college football, not the have-nots. College football is going backward to a time when only a very few football programs had a shot at being relevant on the college football landscape

Except he is going to USM 🤭

That is not bigger and better horizons 🙄

[MarshallSteve]

I think most Herd fans realize what you post. I think it is you who has misread the room on this.

Agree BJS. He totally misread the room on that one

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[MarshallSteve]

Anyone thinking logically should have known that Huff would only be here long enough to build his resume and move on to bigger and brighter horizons. It would be a win for him and the Herd if he succeeded. He would get a more prestigious coaching gig, and the Herd Football team would be left in good shape for the next head coach. The college football landscape has changed since the days of Donnan and Pruett, and teams like Marshall and teams not from the Big Four conferences are on the way outside looking in. The NIL and playoff system are designed to help the haves in college football, not the have-nots. College football is going backward to a time when only a very few football programs had a shot at being relevant on the college football landscape

Follow the Boise State path. They are doing it right these days and there is no reason our program cant ascend to that same level nationally.

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[svherd]

He accepted this gig knowing we would be gone the first chance someone else would bite. Having one foot in and one foot out the door is different than taking over a program, fully buying into the community, improving it and then leaving for a bigger opportunity. Huff didn't seem to do that and USM is a notch below Marshall at this point in time.

If he would end up staying, he and the AD will have to do one hell of a sales job on the fan base to get them back in the fold.

[Garbanjo]

He accepted this gig knowing we would be gone the first chance someone else would bite. Having one foot in and one foot out the door is different than taking over a program, fully buying into the community, improving it and then leaving for a bigger opportunity. Huff didn't seem to do that and USM is a notch below Marshall at this point in time.

100%

[JeremyBlake23]

Follow the Boise State path. They are doing it right these days and there is no reason our program cant ascend to that same level nationally.

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Huntington is poor. Boise is not.

[Mako]

Follow the Boise State path. They are doing it right these days and there is no reason our program cant ascend to that same level nationally.

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Boise State's athletic budget is nearly triple Marshall's and I suspect their NIL pot is more than triple.  We are far from their level.

[CollegeFBfan]

When will Marshall fans realize... That no coach under the age of 50 wants to actually stay here for a long time in a sport like football or basketball. This is a stepping stone job for younger coaches. The college athletics landscape is way different than it was in the 1990's. I think its absolute asinine to fault any coach that does an interview for a better job (Huff last couple years /Caldwell). Or heck interview for a job when you aren't guaranteed one next year. (Huff this year). If you did not have a job lined up after next week and you had kids and a family what would you do? Every coaches dream is to have a premier job! Get that through your heads!! Yes, we can afford to pay Grassie the best in the country for a sport like soccer, but we cannot do that for football or basketball . It would cripple our Athletic Dept.

We have to get over the "oh we need someone who wants to be here" nonsense and worry about getting coaches who win games. So what if we get a new coach every few years. If other schools want them...They have to be doing something right.

This is going to look bad on Marshalls athletic dept. if Huff does go to Southern Miss. regardless of whatever negotiations have or have not been done if he leaves for a 1-11 program from us it is a terrible look. But 90% of you would rather Doc ride off into the sunset whenever he wants and cripple the program.

So you fabricate a narrative that is mostly untrue, then lecture us on how to think?

You have a bright future at MSNBC, ABC, CBS or NBC.

[muherd34]

Boise State's athletic budget is nearly triple Marshall's and I suspect their NIL pot is more than triple.  We are far from their level.

Boises football budget is 17.1 mm.  Marshall?s is 14.6 mm.

[MUther]

Boise State's athletic budget is nearly triple Marshall's and I suspect their NIL pot is more than triple.  We are far from their level.

But not in relation to our peers.  We don't have to outrun the bear, just our buddies.  We string together 3 or 4 conference championships or like 3 out of 5 and we'll get prominence again.  And you know we'll take a few scalps over that time as well.  Look how quickly Troy and Louisiana got ranked after just winning a couple in a row.  Get 'em used to seeing our name in the top 25 and a decent season means a playoff spot.

[Flat Tire 2]

Boises football budget is 17.1 mm.  Marshall?s is 14.6 mm.

I like to see your link for the Boise number.

Boise generated over $60 million in revenue between June 20, 2022 and June 20, 2023 and had a profit of over $2.4 million. Football was over half of the total with around $28.5 million which is near the total of the entire Marshall athletic budget. 
https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/college/mountain-west/boise-state-university/boise-state-football/article289074419.html

[THECHAMPISHERE]

When will Marshall fans realize... That no coach under the age of 50 wants to actually stay here for a long time in a sport like football or basketball. This is a stepping stone job for younger coaches. The college athletics landscape is way different than it was in the 1990's. I think its absolute asinine to fault any coach that does an interview for a better job (Huff last couple years /Caldwell). Or heck interview for a job when you aren't guaranteed one next year. (Huff this year). If you did not have a job lined up after next week and you had kids and a family what would you do? Every coaches dream is to have a premier job! Get that through your heads!! Yes, we can afford to pay Grassie the best in the country for a sport like soccer, but we cannot do that for football or basketball . It would cripple our Athletic Dept.

We have to get over the "oh we need someone who wants to be here" nonsense and worry about getting coaches who win games. So what if we get a new coach every few years. If other schools want them...They have to be doing something right.

This is going to look bad on Marshalls athletic dept. if Huff does go to Southern Miss. regardless of whatever negotiations have or have not been done if he leaves for a 1-11 program from us it is a terrible look. But 90% of you would rather Doc ride off into the sunset whenever he wants and cripple the program.

I agree with you, but I think we all pretty much get that. I have always wanted and still do a young buck to use us as a stepping stone. What I think most Herd fans have problems with is exactly what you said (that I highlighted in green). If he ends up at App State or Southern Miss...we look really bad (as you said)...and then you have to ask what the hell are we doing wrong here? Coaches really trying to get their foot in the door at Marshall so they can go big time at App State or Southern Miss? Wow. That hurts. 

[CollegeFBfan]

It?s been years ago, since I read this on a message board, but back when Boise was in the Top 10.  It sounds kind of silly, but apparently Boise had a ?Potato? billionaire that was bankrolling the football program to compete with the big boys. 

They?ve since dropped down a couple notches, so who knows if that?s still the situation.

[Flat Tire 2]

It?s been years ago, since I read this on a message board, but back when Boise was in the Top 10.  It sounds kind of silly, but apparently Boise had a ?Potato? billionaire that was bankrolling the football program to compete with the big boys. 

They?ve since dropped down a couple notches, so who knows if that?s still the situation.

The guy was J.R. Simplot who made his fortune selling McDonald's and other restaurants frozen french fries. Boise was also the home of Albertsons grocery store chain who bought out the the 1-AA playoff game from us. Micron Technology employees about 5,000 people in Boise. Boise is also the home of a major national engineering firm.

[2xBison]

He accepted this gig knowing we would be gone the first chance someone else would bite. Having one foot in and one foot out the door is different than taking over a program, fully buying into the community, improving it and then leaving for a bigger opportunity. Huff didn't seem to do that and USM is a notch below Marshall at this point in time.

If he would end up staying, he and the AD will have to do one hell of a sales job on the fan base to get them back in the fold.

I think our fans like to just spin it...he never wanted to be here, he hates it here, his wife hates it here blah blah blah

No way he prefers so miss other than strained relations with our administration and tired of other bull %^&* associated with being out HC.

Looks like to me our administration and our fans are short sighted on this one.  Huff and our administration got in poker game and he won and his hand keeps getting better.  Now if he does end up at so miss, hell he takes a lot of our roster and staff, add few portal guys and he can get his P4 job with some winning seasons.

I'd prefer he built on this success this year for a year or two here, then move on and we enjoy some good years and get buyout.

As it stands? Looks like egg on our face as he goes so miss, a disappointing bowl game even if we win title as we will have interim HC, players opting out, and a lot of roster gone for next year and rebuild.

Oh I forgot we are hiring successful D2 or FCS guy who will bring a roster full of players

Sh!t show if it happens.


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[herdorbust2]

I think our fans like to just spin it...he never wanted to be here, he hates it here, his wife hates it here blah blah blah

No way he prefers so miss other than strained relations with our administration and tired of other bull %^&* associated with being out HC.

Looks like to me our administration and our fans are short sighted on this one.  Huff and our administration got in poker game and he won and his hand keeps getting better.  Now if he does end up at so miss, hell he takes a lot of our roster and staff, add few portal guys and he can get his P4 job with some winning seasons.

I'd prefer he built on this success this year for a year or two here, then move on and we enjoy some good years and get buyout.

As it stands? Looks like egg on our face as he goes so miss, a disappointing bowl game even if we win title as we will have interim HC, players opting out, and a lot of roster gone for next year and rebuild.

Oh I forgot we are hiring successful D2 or FCS guy who will bring a roster full of players

Sh!t show if it happens.


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Exactly how I feel. Egg is on Marshalls face and not Huffs if he leaves. Like you said Huff and Smith/Spears were playing poker and Huff won. Best thing Spears and Smith can do is swallow their pride and at least match whatever he has been offered and let it be known. Then if Huff still leaves they did their part. But he has all the cards and chips at this point.

[2xBison]

Exactly how I feel. Egg is on Marshalls face and not Huffs if he leaves. Like you said Huff and Smith/Spears were playing poker and Huff won. Best thing Spears and Smith can do is swallow their pride and at least match whatever he has been offered and let it be known. Then if Huff still leaves they did their part. But he has all the cards and chips at this point.

I respect so miss but they have issues.  To have our coach taken by them in a title game year? Utter incompetence or inflated egos....that will leave us fans bearing brunt of pain as the egos move on


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