Topic: We lose the money we would receive from the bowl

[hffo]

Any chance of litigation against

A:). Huff and or coaches promoting players entering the portal.

B:). NCAA for portal rules prior to close of season

C:). Other party


Any chance this will result in portal changes to align with season completion?  Or other rule changes?

[bbcard1]

Could be a lot of moving pieces here. The bowl and the city hosting the bowl and even possibly ESPN could conceivably sue Marshall. Marshall could sue any of the coaches if they were found to have willfully conspired to hurt Marshall while in its employ...Hell, as they are state employees...it could even get more complicated. This could get ugly with things that just don't do anything to add value to my life.  If it's all the same to you, I think I'll just go to the soccer game and check back in in a couple of months.

[MUfan08]

Could be a lot of moving pieces here. The bowl and the city hosting the bowl and even possibly ESPN could conceivably sue Marshall. Marshall could sue any of the coaches if they were found to have willfully conspired to hurt Marshall while in its employ...Hell, as they are state employees...it could even get more complicated. This could get ugly with things that just don't do anything to add value to my life.  If it's all the same to you, I think I'll just go to the soccer game and check back in in a couple of months.

Marshall apparently has to pay a monetary penalty to the bowl for withdrawing.

Don't kid yourself if you do not think this hurts Marshall's reputation with future bowls.

[BuckHerd]

I should hope that Marshall has looked at all the ramifications of this action. Legal and financial particularly. Let's hope it wasn't just an emotional decision, but backed by research and logic. Hope, hope, hope....

[miltonherdfan]

If there's a contractual penalty for withdrawing stated in contract--a fine, & we pay that fine--I don't think bowl could sue us. If they want more than a fine, they should've put it in contract.

[muherd34]

MU pays penalty in money and penalty to its dignity.  Just plain embarrassing

[MUfan08]

If there's a contractual penalty for withdrawing stated in contract--a fine, & we pay that fine--I don't think bowl could sue us. If they want more than a fine, they should've put it in contract.

Yes a contractual monetary obligation if a team withdraws from a bowl is charged.

[MarshallHerdFan99]

I saw a tweet from someone that has their wife working for the Independence Bowl. They are very disappointed in Marshall and were give no indication until they withdrew.


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[THECHAMPISHERE]

What's crazy is all of our excuses aren't going to fly because there are other teams who deal with NIL, the TP, who have lost a coach, and will still play in their bowl. Like all of the other teams in our EXACT situation are going to play...just not us. Our administration can make excuses, our fans can make excuses, but it's all just BS...when the truth of the matter is we are just incompetent. 

[herdfan429]

What's crazy is all of our excuses aren't going to fly because there are other teams who deal with NIL, the TP, who have lost a coach, and will still play in their bowl. Like all of the other teams in our EXACT situation are going to play...just not us. Our administration can make excuses, our fans can make excuses, but it's all just BS...when the truth of the matter is we are just incompetent.

Which teams had 41 available players?

[girthyherdon]

Which teams had 41 available players?

I?ve watched high school teams play with 14 players on the team. Only takes 11 on each side of the ball. Ironman football.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

Which teams had 41 available players?

I would say none. And that is part of the point. Don't blame it on the TP, or NIL, or a coach leaving for only having 41 players available...things don't get this bad just by chance. It didn't have to be a dumpster fire (as those other teams you alluded to proved). But we did something, or didn't do something, or don't understand how to run a program in 2024, or don't have the right guys in charge, or didn't hire the right people, or didn't fire the right people. Everyone else gets it...everyone got by (as you said)...but we couldn't figure it out...we couldn't make it work - that's not the Transfer Portal's fault.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

Doesn't also our conference and every other team in the conference lose the money that we would have brought in and shared? Army gets screwed. The bowl get's screwed (now having a 5-7 team). I am sure Gill and every conference AD is shaking their heads at us right now. All because we don't know what we are doing. We'll be the laughing stock of college football for a while - and it could also hurt recruiting as well. It's real. Do you want your son going to an institution with their sh!t together...or one in disarray? Do you want your son going to a place that has beat the transfer portal or who got beat by it?

If you are a recruit do you want to go to Jacksonville St. where they can handle NIL, the TP, a coach leaving and still play their bowl game...or what about the team they are playing Ohio who is ALSO in the exact same situation as us? This is yet another new low...Ohio and Jacksonville State has figured it out...but we can't.

[MarshallSteve]

Marshall apparently has to pay a monetary penalty to the bowl for withdrawing.

Don't kid yourself if you do not think this hurts Marshall's reputation with future bowls.

No doubt this move hurts our future bowl oppurtunities.

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[miltonherdfan]

Doesn't also our conference and every other team in the conference lose the money that we would have brought in and shared? Army gets screwed. The bowl get's screwed (now having a 5-7 team). I am sure Gill and every conference AD is shaking their heads at us right now. All because we don't know what we are doing. We'll be the laughing stock of college football for a while - and it could also hurt recruiting as well. It's real. Do you want your son going to an institution with their sh!t together...or one in disarray? Do you want your son going to a place that has beat the transfer portal or who got beat by it?

If you are a recruit do you want to go to Jacksonville St. where they can handle NIL, the TP, a coach leaving and still play their bowl game...or what about the team they are playing Ohio who is ALSO in the exact same situation as us? This is yet another new low...Ohio and Jacksonville State has figured it out...but we can't.

if 1 wants to argue that our team this season was made up of typical college FB players, then it's pretty obvious the run-of-the-mill college FB player doesn't give a rat's behind about playing in a bowl game.  they all passed up the opportunity to play in a pretty doggone good one (vs ranked team), all they had to do was suit up & take the field, & they declined.  obviously, Lockette wouldn't have cared if they had entered the portal but still wanted to play, he surely would've allowed 'em to do that since he was 1 of the 1s encouraging them to leave.  based on what we know now, 1 would assume he wasn't gonna deny someone the right to play based on principle.

[BigJimslade]

Marshall apparently has to pay a monetary penalty to the bowl for withdrawing.

Don't kid yourself if you do not think this hurts Marshall's reputation with future bowls.

This will all be forgotten very soon
There will be zero long term ramifications
Zero

[MicDrass1]

Long term ramifications are many of the programs best players went in the portal instead of playing in the bowl game bc there favorite and championship coach was not renewed.  Players are going to have a hard time trusting the MU admin.  Not a good reputation to earn.  Win a champ, fight hard for it and admin doesn?t show through their actions they truly care.  Feel bad for HC Gibson bc he entered an unnecessary mess.  Tough for any head coach let alone a first timer. 

[BigJimslade]

I would say none. And that is part of the point. Don't blame it on the TP, or NIL, or a coach leaving for only having 41 players available...things don't get this bad just by chance. It didn't have to be a dumpster fire (as those other teams you alluded to proved). But we did something, or didn't do something, or don't understand how to run a program in 2024, or don't have the right guys in charge, or didn't hire the right people, or didn't fire the right people. Everyone else gets it...everyone got by (as you said)...but we couldn't figure it out...we couldn't make it work - that's not the Transfer Portal's fault.

You are really reaching
The Herd just won a conference title
Not a dumpster fire at all
🙄

[whf]

Which teams had 41 available players?

This number is everywhere, but weren't we allowed to have 105 on the roster?  If 50 left, that would still leave 55, so where in the heck did this 41 come from?  I think it is a hyperbolic number made up by the athletic department, perhaps representing players they fell are ready to play before the practices for the bowl would start. Can you imagine being player 104, having put forth all you have, 100% every day, not playing, and waiting for a chance. Then your university decides you not worth thaking a chance on...steals your perhaps once in a life time chance to actually play in a game that is on national TV.

[HerdEcon]

Since we split the bowl revenue with the conference hq and other conference teams, do we also split the costs?   Including the cost of withdrawing?