Topic: Question for the soccer nurds re our score vs. OSU

[IM4DHERD]

How in the world was that not offsides?  Look at the video starting about 50 seconds in.  There was absolutely no one anywhere near him let alone between him and the back line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqS4alK61Y

[hffo]

If you are referring to our goal, or any goal for that matter.  Offsides are determined when the ball leaves the foot of the one kicking it. At that moment

[MUther]

How in the world was that not offsides?  Look at the video starting about 50 seconds in.  There was absolutely no one anywhere near him let alone between him and the back line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqS4alK61Y

Was going to say he didn't pass it again just dribbled into the goal but Hffo explained it better.

[IM4DHERD]

It left his foot about 3 feet from the goal.  Goalie and any other players were at least 10 yards(?) behind him?  Unless there was a defender in the far right corner not caught on camera?

[IM4DHERD]

VERY Happy it happened, just curious as a soccer newbie how it counted vs. everything I've ever understood about offsides.

[MUther]

It left his foot about 3 feet from the goal.  Goalie and any other players were at least 10 yards(?) behind him?  Unless there was a defender in the far right corner not caught on camera?

You can kick the ball into an empty goal.  You can't cherry pick a pass to a guy waiting ahead of all the defenders. 

[chris88]

Quite simply you cannot be offsides if you are behind the ball. Once he was onsides receiving the ball, which he clearly was, he cannot be offsides while behind or in control of the ball.

[herdfan429]

The person with the ball can't be offsides. I'm honestly shocked they didn't go to replay for when he started his run to receive the pass.  Looked like it could have been offsides since he was behind defender prior to the pass

[Luke80]

He probably took off running as soon as the keeper kicked the ball. You simply can't know that he was behind the last defender when the ball was passed and the camera doesn't confirm anything. The pass was probably in the air for more than 2 seconds. As likely as not the defender got caught watching the ball. Forwards are taught to get behind the defender on the pass it increases the chances of getting fouled in the box. The linesman didn't really have much else to be looking at so it is unlikely he missed a call.

[coloradoherd]

A lot of people giving good explanations here but I?ll throw my 2 cents in just in case your brain is on the same wavelength as mine as far as how to understand it.

A player being behind the defense when they receive a pass is not automatic evidence of offsides.

Say a defender and the receiver of the pass are right beside each other (the receiver is not offsides). The passer is allowed to LEAD the receiver. The passer can kick the ball to a point on the field behind the defense. If the receiver is then able to simply run faster than the defender, and get to the ball first, that is fair game (which is exactly what happened on this play). The receiver is just not allowed to sit and WAIT behind the defense before a pass comes. But as long as the receiver is onsides when the pass is INITIATED, he is free to then beat the defender to the ball. Pannholzer was onsides when Janics foot contacted the ball, which is all that matters. Then Pannholzer got ahead of the defender while the ball was in the air. That is totally legal.

Edit: Not sure if you were asking about Pannholzer being behind the defender when he received the pass from Janic, or if you were asking about the fact that Pannholzer took the shot after he got past everyone on the defense (including the goalie), so I will address that too:

Once he has the ball, it doesnt matter. Simply being behind the defense is not illegal in and of itself. And there isnt a rule that a defender must be in front of you in order to take a shot on goal. Thats not what the offsides rule is about. Its only a matter of waiting/hiding behind the defense to receive a pass, and therefore not giving the defenders a fair shot at stopping you.

The player with the ball is allowed to take the ball himself and run around the defenders and then shoot a goal, because the defenders had a fair shot to stop him and he was just faster or more skilled. The OSU defender and goalie had a fair shot to stop Pannholzer, but he just straight up put the moves on them. There is no rule against scoring a goal after beating the defenders by running around them with the ball, as long as you legally received the ball in the first place. The offsides rule only has to do with passing, and your position relative to the defense when a teammate passes you the ball. The man with the ball can never be offsides, as long as he received it from a legal pass.

[chris88]

- You can't be offsides in own end.
- It's all about the reciever of pass
- It is ALL about when the ball is struck by the passer. If reciever is behind all except last defender (usually the goalie) when ball is struck it is offsides if he attempts to play the ball or involve himself in the play. It matters not what happens when ball is in air. When our GK struck the ball, he was not past the next to last defender. He was clearly a step or two behind him. Once recieved onsides and in control of ball he cannot be offsides.
- Exceptions to offsides rule: The first touch of a goal kick, corner kick, or throw in.  Our GK kick was not a goal kick but a free kick so our player had to be onsides when ball kicked.
- A player in an offsides position is not officially offsides until the ref raises his flag to signify offsides by his playing of the ball or involving himself in play even if he does not play ball. Offsides positions that don't result in offending player playing ball or involving himself in play are ignored. A player who is in an offsides position cannot come back onsides and be the first person to intentionally play the ball (deflections, GK saves do not negate offsides).

- Some refs will call any body part offsides if ahead of next to last defender when ball kicked (arm, head, leg). Like a speeding ticket, I find it almost impossible to gauge that close and usually give the offensive player a small leeway ...usually edge of arm/shoulder to neck

The play was clearly onsides. The refs in NCAA can review offsides in a goal scoring situation. They didn't because there was no need to.

[bighat]

There are elements to being offside:
1. Being in the attacking half of the field
2. A pass by a team mate.
3. Being behind two defenders or the ball whichever is closer to the goal.
4. Interfering with play, gaining an advantage by being offside(like a ball off goal post), actually touching the ball from the pass.

Those all have to be present when the ball is played.

You have to have a body part that can play the ball offside.  Hands can't make you offside.