Topic: QB

[mu1995]

I believe he started as a Freshman and then they brought in a FCS QB who became their starter. More of that likely to happen now as programs skip development of younger players.

[miltonherdfan]

well, we could use a 3rd string  hahaha

[svherd]

Gibson is a defense guy like Doc and Snyder. I doubt we have much offense. If that comes to fruition, it would be an incredibly disappointing hire. He doesn't seem to be focusing on the offense at all, except a few OL guys. Meh.

[MUfan08]

He doesn't seem to be focusing on the offense at all, except a few OL guys. Meh.

Huh?

His last 4 or so commits have been 2 WRs 1 TE and 1 Hybrid WR/TE

[herd2win]

Gibson is a defense guy like Doc and Snyder. I doubt we have much offense. If that comes to fruition, it would be an incredibly disappointing hire. He doesn't seem to be focusing on the offense at all, except a few OL guys. Meh.

We had offense under Doc.  Cato years, had Froh stayed it would have continued even longer.  Our offense with Litton was not bad.  I am not passing any judgement until I see a Gibson team play.

I would have hired Doege as our head coach as he had a very creative and fun offense.

[muherd34]

We had offense under Doc.  Cato years, had Froh stayed it would have continued even longer.  Our offense with Litton was not bad.  I am not passing any judgement until I see a Gibson team play.

I would have hired Doege as our head coach as he had a very creative and fun offense.

Let?s all be honest here.  We have struggled offensively for many many years.  Heck this year our offense finished in the 70s and we all thought it was down right amazing.  That?s how bad our offenses have been.lol

[mu1995]

I agree on the offensive struggles as being more the norm over the years since Pruett left.  Donnan' offense was less pass oriented than Pruettt but effective.

Not sure that a DC background is the issue though.  Pruett was a DC and gave us our most explosive offenses.  Rod Smith's offensive statistics show his offenses put up points.  Hoping that this era is closer to the Pruett years and I appreciate that Gibson and Pruett seem to have hit it off.

[Johnnyherd]

Let?s all be honest here.  We have struggled offensively for many many years.  Heck this year our offense finished in the 70s and we all thought it was down right amazing.  That?s how bad our offenses have been.lol

App State had more yards and more points scored than us.  No sane Marshall fan would trade places with App State.  Which ever team that wins the National Championship will have 10-30 teams with ?better? offensive numbers.

There are plenty of ways to win in the G5 level.  The biggest separation between the G5 and P4 are the athletes on defense.  G5 teams offense is top priority and defense is the best they can pull together, mainly because it takes talent in starting D and also talent in subs so there is no drop off in substitutions.

Having an effective offense and a good consistent defense is a solid strategy.  The difference between this years team and most teams that run the ball and play defense is that we could pass it when we need to do so.  Most teams that focus on rushing/ defense just can?t pass the ball because they don?t work at doing it.

[mu1995]

Exactly.  The design of our offense was a slight step up from constant bubble screens and runs up the middle, but special teams and defense contributed to scoring and the QB scrambles really saved the offensive play calling in the last 8 games. 

[muherd34]

App State had more yards and more points scored than us.  No sane Marshall fan would trade places with App State.  Which ever team that wins the National Championship will have 10-30 teams with ?better? offensive numbers.

There are plenty of ways to win in the G5 level.  The biggest separation between the G5 and P4 are the athletes on defense.  G5 teams offense is top priority and defense is the best they can pull together, mainly because it takes talent in starting D and also talent in subs so there is no drop off in substitutions.

Having an effective offense and a good consistent defense is a solid strategy.  The difference between this years team and most teams that run the ball and play defense is that we could pass it when we need to do so.  Most teams that focus on rushing/ defense just can?t pass the ball because they don?t work at doing it.

Well said.

[herdfan129]

Have to also remember that we got VERY lucky multiple times where Braxton threw the ball up and the defense just didn?t intercept the ball. If they catch 3-4 of those very simple interceptions our offense is probably remembered a little differently.

Losing Braxton definitely hurts but the RR offense (which is what we are getting with Rod Smith) will 100% have a mobile QB with a fun explosive offense that puts up points.

[BerkshireHerdFan]

I may be in  the minority,  but I never thought out offense was exciting. To many Qb draws  for my liking. I did , however, enjoy more of the trick plays this past years. A

[Johnnyherd]

I may be in  the minority,  but I never thought out offense was exciting. To many Qb draws  for my liking. I did , however, enjoy more of the trick plays this past years. A

Run the ball and playing defense Travel, meaning they are not effected as much as passing on the road, don?t cause as many turnovers and statistically gives the best chance to win on the road.  So I understand why coaches do it. 

But, I definitely love some passing too!  If you can?t pass, You really hurt your run success because you take pressure off the defense and make it a simple game of assignments and physicality. 

[Tim Hensley]

Naw, our offense the last three or four years was NOT very exciting.  QB U has flown the coup.

[muherd34]

Naw, our offense the last three or four years was NOT very exciting.  QB U has flown the coup.

Honestly our offense the last 3 and a half years has sucked.  Until Braxton came along Huffs offenses were bad.

[VA Herd Fan]

I'm wondering if Gibson has looked at this kid. Did anyone see him in HS?
https://x.com/_robertshockey4/status/1866945453570375802?t=szSyg0C6CwnczpYDoTp20A&s=19

[Buffalo Bop]

I'm wondering if Gibson has looked at this kid. Did anyone see him in HS?
https://x.com/_robertshockey4/status/1866945453570375802?t=szSyg0C6CwnczpYDoTp20A&s=19

He's being followed by Tony Gibson on X.

[MUther]

Whatever QB we get will only be as good the line that protects him, the receivers that can get space and catch, the special teams that get us field position, the defense that gets us offensive opportunities, the scheme that dictates what he is doing and when, the RB that takes pressure off the passing game.  A good team can make any QB look great and vice versa.   Gotta build the whole thing, then find a general to lead it.

[andy31]

I'm wondering if Gibson has looked at this kid. Did anyone see him in HS?
https://x.com/_robertshockey4/status/1866945453570375802?t=szSyg0C6CwnczpYDoTp20A&s=19

Yes. Not a good enough passer to actually play at this level imo. I assume he walked on at NC State.

[chris88]

OC is the hardest job in football. Doege did a great job. Braxton was terrific but Doege put him in position to succeed more than he had anywhere else. Give Huff  credit for hiring him. A dynamic offense isn't just trick plays, it's flexible design using different formations, motions, route combos and play calling that keep the defense off balance and your offense unpredictable. That's why he is at Arizona. And let's face it, our defense wasn't great most of year as we were outscoring most people despite some great indy talent at all levels.

I've said a bunch of times to look at the champs most years in league we were in and look who is running the offense (either HC or OC). Jeff Brohm, Lane Kiffin, Cignetti, Appy state before the most recent guy. The UAb coach was a bit of an exception. Furthermore look back at Boise under Chris Peterson...one of best offense minds to ever coach college football. I wouldn't say good DC are a dime a dozen, but sure much easier to find than a verg good OC. But even a great OC can't make you a winner without an above average QB. The Cato years had more to do with great talent than OC but that was the exception. And we only won one title with him. Until Doege, we hadn't had an OC take a better job since probably Marty Galbreath.

Defensively, I pray that Gibson keeps Huff's emphasis on attacking/playing fb in secondary vs playing just the man and running into them for PI calls. That was a huge thing IMO. On paper it looks like new OC might be a good hire.

[Greg H]

It?s not the coach people.  We went Pennington, Leftwich with Kresser for a year.  Forest Gump could have coached those teams to 40 a game.

[herdman22]

It?s not the coach people.  We went Pennington, Leftwich with Kresser for a year.  Forest Gump could have coached those teams to 40 a game.

Goes way deeper than that. Fodor, Gregory, Peterson, Payton, Donnan, Harris, Zban (these two got hurt but were very highly rated), Pennington, Leftwich, Hill. From around 1983-2004 we had a great QB every year.


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[Johnnyherd]

I hold hope in Long, early in practice last year, there was talk of him playing the best of all the QBs.  He was fresh out of high school and went in the spring game and played well.

[herdfan129]

I hold hope in Long, early in practice last year, there was talk of him playing the best of all the QBs.  He was fresh out of high school and went in the spring game and played well.

I?ve been thinking the same thing. Seems pretty athletic as well. Could be a good fit for this offense

[herdloyal]

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-transfer-portal-2025-tracker-10-best-available-quarterbacks-and-which-teams-are-contenders-242750153/#2570153

Interesting article about the Qb?s available!

Tony Baby why not make offer?s to see if some of them would be interested as we are going to be building for that playoff spot 2025-2026 season to see who is seriously ready to go for it! Couldn?t hurt! Marshall?s got the name and rep for being a up and coming winner again putting people into the league!