Topic: Greg White

[HERDFAN1999]

I truly do not understand so many Herd fans beating up on Greg White.  What kind of a job did Greg do while at Marshall?  Two points:

1.  Most of our teams had average talent as best for the MAC.  Greg usually had an average finish.  
2.  Most of the problems during his last years were caused by JR and Tamar not getting along.  The team was not that close and I don't really think that was his fault.  It was actually probably a good coaching job for them to win as many as they did.

Greg probably could have been a better recruiter.  And yes, we did only have average finishes.  But I would take an average finish this year, wouldn't you?  My point is, I don't see why we beat him up.  He did an average job and he is not the one responsible for our recent performance.  It was probably his time to step down but I don't understand why so many are quick to pounce on him.  He loved our Herd as much as anyone.

[carolinaherdfan]

I only read the first two lines of your post. That, was enough to tell me
I needed to come to the defense. IMHO, we would be tickled to death if
Gregg White was still the coach of the MU Thunderingherd!

GO THUNDERINGHERD!







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[HerdZone]

GW avg finishs were because he loaded up on DII DIII and IAA schools at the begining of the season. If White ever had to coach with a schedule like ours last year we may have won 1 game last year. White is where he belongs now and is actually doing good, so do I feel bad or sorry. Not at all.

[carolinaherdfan]

Let's me get this straight with you guy's. Greg White's teams are just good HS BS teams.

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[Anonymous]

Greg White was a budding star.  weenie Vitale named him year in and year out as one to watch.  Sometimes, stars flame out or hit their peak. His recruiting wasn’t that bad at all. This year's team, AW, David Anderson, and Mark Patton to name a few were all GW's recruits.  His 2 assistant coaches Jeff Boals and Kevin Keats were very good coaches.  The only suspect coach was Chalie Hagley (sp). He had no college experience at all.  Anyway, GW is much better than we are giving him credit for.  How many of you would have rather been 16-12 or even 14-14 this year instead of 6-22?  Regardless of GW, give Coach Jirsa a chance.  Kentucky, Oklahoma State, Duke and even North Carolina have lost their mojo over the past 15 years.  Huntington and MU were in the "one-bid" MAC.  Hopefully, C-USA will get us some players.  A modicum of patience is needed. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and thank God, the carpet bagger mayor Felinton hasn’t destroyed Huntington is 5+ years.

[Anonymous]

DII & IAA schools.

1st, we played Sheperd once a fellow WV institution, and there are no D-IAA schools in basketball. Never the less, wins are wins and they count in basketball unlike football.

[Thundering Accountant]

While White wasn't the greatest coach in the world, he did recruit well.

Compare the recruits we got and were close to getting when Greg White was here to the recuits we are getting now.

Greg White was competing with Xavier, Dayton, UAB and other decent schools for recruits.

Jirsa is competing against The Citadel, Appy St and Junior Colleges.

With Greg White we had good talent and decent records. With Ron Jirsa we have poor talent and bad records.


Before anyone gets the little Emoticons with the horse being beaten remember this: Its April 6th, what else is there to talk about?

[Thundering Accountant]

DII win do not count in basketball actually. You get more out of a 1-AA win in football than a DII win in basketball.

[carolinaherdfan]

Hey, Texas, I did not read your post, but I know you cannot imagine the pain we!

GO THUNDERINGHERD!

[Anonymous]

Young Herdman,
 Thanks for the clarification.

Carolina,
  I am not understanding your last post? Do you mean feel your pain? Just looking for clarification; I am not trying to start an argument.

[HerdZone]

How many of you would have rather been 16-12 or even 14-14 this year instead of 6-22?

Depends on the schedule you are talking about. Lets take a look at GW last season at Marshall and his schedule and the upgraded schedule that Jirsa has for us.

White's Schedule
 

   
Opponent (click for recap)
Lativia (exh.)
Branch West Basketball (exh.)
at Niagara
Kentucky State
at Rutgers
at NORTHERN ILLINOIS
Radford
at Morehead State
Western Carolina
at Massachusetts
WESTERN MICHIGAN
at BUFFALO
TOLEDO
CENTRAL MICHIGAN
at KENT STATE
West Virginia
BUFFALO
at BALL STATE
OHIO
at EASTERN MICHIGAN
at WESTERN MICHIGAN
BOWLING GREEN
AKRON
at MIAMI
ESPN Bracket Buster
KENT STATE
at OHIO
at AKRON
MIAMI

Jirsa's Scedule

at UNC-Wil   
E Tenn St   
Oregon
at E Michigan   
UAB   
at Illinois St   
at W Kentucky   
High Point   
at Xavier   
C Michigan   
BGU   
at Ohio
W Virginia   
Toledo   
Akron   
at Kent St   
at Buffalo   
Kent St   
at N Illinois   
at Ball St   
E Michigan   
at W Michigan   
at Miami (OH)   
Buffalo
Ohio   
at Akron   
Miami (OH)   
at Ohio

Jirsa's schedule is upgraded about 150% over White's in 2 years.

[Anonymous]

I'm really starting to feel for the current players remembering how they stood up for GW when everyone was giving him hell.....

[2xBison]

ok boys.  let's keep it simple for you boys.

Throw out the out of conference schedules.

Look at white's MAC record.

Never was this bad.

Hell, he went into the MAC rebuilding and starting the likes of joda.  No question he did better than jirsa.  Even jirsa's good wins to date (uab last year, miami this year and wvu this year) don't beat white's wins over wake while rated and dayton and detroit...he also barely missed getting UC while they were an elite.

i thought it was time for white to go.  however, if i'd had any idea this is where we were going, i would have thought underachieving and early tourney exits aren't so bad.

this %^&* sux.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree with the schedule upgrade. However, a win is a win. Let's say we can only schedule 10 out of conference games.  I would schedule 2 juggarnauts, 4 equal opponents, and 4 opponents below us. That means I will probably go 6-4, lose to teh juggarnauts, split teh equals and sweep the creampuffs.  As I said before, a modicum of patience is needed with Caoch Jirsa. He'll get us going in the next 2 years. We need to give every coach the time 4-6 years to get his players and philosophy in to action.

[teamgreen]

I wont bash White or Jirsa. But I personally dont care for either one. But I will go out on a limb and say that a lot of fans in this area sure would like to see Mike D'antoni wearing the green on the sidelines. Looks like it is never going to happen though. I found it amussing when Kayo and crew were searching out and interviewing possible candidates for the head basketball job that Mike wasnt even contacted. I remember reading a column in the paper where someone asked Mike would he be interested and he said "sure". He then followed it up by saying "Marshall has not contacted me to show interest". I later read in the paper several days later where I believe it was Kayo who was asked "Have you contact Mike about the position?" His reply was: "No we havent, he just does not have the experience for a head coaching postition that we are looking for." I laughed my  :-? off after reading that one. What kind of Maroon would say that he doesnt have the experience? I guess coaching in the NBA doesnt justify enough experience for Kayo and crew.  :lol:

[HerdZone]

I completely agree with the schedule upgrade. However, a win is a win.

You wanna look at it that way then write the University and we can be like ETSU and drop Football and move into the A-SUN. and play with the Belmont's and Cambell's. As you say a win is a win. Ooooo did I mention even if you go 21-3 your RPI gets no higher then 200.

I would rather upgrade my schedule from Kentucky State, Radford and such to Western KY, Oregon and Xavier. We were competitive in all but about 4 games this year. If we had a finisher that actually took over the game we would have won more, if not alot more.

[Anonymous]

Who said anything about dropping football. I am simply stating that it is fine to schedule better opponents; I even encourage it for fan base reasons. However, you must protect your home court and beat the teams you have the ability to beat.  We did not do that last year.

By the way 21-3 would definetely get an NIT bid, which is mroe than we have had post season wise in a long time.

[HerdZone]

Mike D'antoni would have been another Billy Donovan. He would have been here 2 years max. And moved on to a bigger program maybe OSU last year or Tennessee this year. And then been there 2-3 years max until an NBA team came calling. I truly believe he is where he wants to be. Coaching in the NBA. He has said in many interviews.

[teamgreen]

I completely agree with the schedule upgrade. However, a win is a win.

You wanna look at it that way then write the University and we can be like ETSU and drop Football and move into the A-SUN. and play with the Belmont's and Cambell's. As you say a win is a win. Ooooo did I mention even if you go 21-3 your RPI gets no higher then 200.

I would rather upgrade my schedule from Kentucky State, Radford and such to Western KY, Oregon and Xavier. We were competitive in all but about 4 games this year. If we had a finisher that actually took over the game we would have won more, if not alot more.

I totally agree with what you say. We simply did not have a guy who could standup and somewhat show some dominance and take over a game inside or outside the paint.

[HuntersvilleHerd]

Having ruled out D'Antoni, KO stated that MU would not be conducting any "courtesy" interviews.

Now KO is preparing to interview Dave Roberts?

[carolinaherdfan]

youngherdman! It is Pain!

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[Thundering Accountant]

So what if D'Antoni was another Bill Donovan? If he would have jumped ship that means he did something right. Would you rather win 20 games for 2 years and have to find a new coach or  lose 20 games a season and have to find a new coach?

Guess we will find out the answer to the last question sooner than the 1st.

We are all worried about MU being a "steping stone job."

Get real people! MU will always be a stepping stone job. Unless MU ranks up there with the Duke's and UNC's of the world, then a coach will always look to move up.

Besides, what makes you think Jirsa wouldn't have jumped ship if he would have won 20 games these past two years?

[carolinaherdfan]

This is all BS!

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[teamgreen]

So what if D'Antoni was another Bill Donovan? If he would have jumped ship that means he did something right. Would you rather win 20 games for 2 years and have to find a new coach or  lose 20 games a season and have to find a new coach?

Guess we will find out the answer to the last question sooner than the 1st.

We are all worried about MU being a "steping stone job."

Get real people! MU will always be a stepping stone job. Unless MU ranks up there with the Duke's and UNC's of the world, then a coach will always look to move up.

Besides, what makes you think Jirsa wouldn't have jumped ship if he would have won 20 games these past two years?

I totally agree with what you say here. If Jirsa had won 20 games the past 2 years I to think he would have already been long gone.

[carolinaherdfan]

MU, will sometimes be a stepping stone job. i.e. Just to begin with we are much better that 2/3 of all job's. MU, will be a stepping stone job until we decide we need to make a change. i.e. we can do what we want to do.

GO THUNDERINGHERD!



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