Topic: Sorry, I have to get my 2 cents in....

[marshalljeff]

We will probably get there with Snyder, but.....

IMO, if Pruett had been our coach the last 2 years, we would have won several more games..... probably went bowling both years.......

OK, I'm done.......

Sorry for "unlocking" the thread.....

[svherd]

Pruett was the one who got us in this mess. I love the man to death and he will always be near and dear to MU fans forever; but sometimes you got to call a spade, a spade.

[Thunder Struck]

svherd

Pruett was the one who got us in this mess.

I agree ...



marshalljeff

We will probably get there with Snyder

I disagree ...

Just my 2 cents

[tomv]

If everything had played out the same with Pruett as it has with Snyder I agree with marshalljeff.   I've always thought there have been a few games the last few years that were lost because of coaching mistakes in one way or another.

A few that come to mind:

-K-State in 05  - Skinner throws the pass instead of lining it up for the FG.. this one has been well documented as a rookie coaching mistake.

-UCF last year - Too conservative on defense, actually this applies to about 5-6 games last year.  We started the season too scared to let our secondary play aggressive and it cost us games.  Once we started bringing pressure and attacking we put together a few wins (Memphis, UTEP, UAB)

-And, a handful of games where we just look to be totally unprepared and lost, i.e. Southern Miss last year, ECU, K-State

Say what you want about Pruett, and I do agree that he was the man in charge when we got in this mess.  But he never got out-coached and we were always prepared and ready to play.

With all that said, Snyder is fixing the little things and doing it right.   His plan looks good from the outside, but there have been some coaching mistakes made that cost us a chance to go bowling in the last two seasons.

[DJdaHERDfan]

OK, time for me to chime in.

I am going to be totally honest with this.

In my opinion, the way things were going for Pruett, had he stayed, we would have been even worse than what we went through with Snyder.

Instead of 4 and 5 wins we would be looking at 2 win seasons.

Why? Well, Pruett had lost control of the team and was seriously burned out with a combination of things from his health to the football program and the administration.

And about Snyder? Well, I think big things could potentially happen but in my opinion, I see Snyder here two more years. I just dont see MU letting him stay around if he has two more mediocre losing seasons.
Now understand this: I do think this team is on the verge of putting together a really good season for 2007 and 2008 but if things should go ugly, Snyder won't be here for the 2009 season.

just my 2 cents

[newtorious herd]

read this years athlon, opposing coaches hit the nail on the head, "players seemed confused"  coaches run a different system each week , look like completely different teams from week to week

[newtorious herd]

dj da herd can slam pruett but cant take it himself, just like a buckeye

[ADub4Heisman]

Now for my 2 cents.

If we had a quarterback the last two years we would have won more games. There's no doubt the end of the K-St game was a blunder by both Snyder and Skinner. However, why does everyone assume Ian O'Connor was going to make a clutch kick like that?  Thinking back, he probably would have pulled on down the left field line.

Never being outcoached when Pruett was here? I remember plenty of people complaining after the OSU game about the fake FG. Infact his last year here, there was plenty of talk of being outcoached.

Now, as for Snyder, I think he should get a year longer than what you would usually give a coach because he didn't get to bring in ANY recruits his first year.

[Dreamherd]

Pruett got the team fired up for the "big dogs."  What is alarming is that Snyder is a defensive guy and we have had a poor D under him which has not shown improvement over the course of a season.  Snyder just doesn't ever look comfortable on the sidelines.  He looked more at ease last season, but we still had a bunch of bone-headed calls.  Whether Snyder is calling them or not, he is allowing them to be called.  K-State the last 2 years has been awful.  We were not prepared at all last year for them, and we didn't even adjust during the game.  We didn't score an offensive TD.  Snyder can recruit, but that's all he's done good for us so far.  So if Snyder can recruit and Pruett can coach, bring back Pruett and let him coach the good recruits if Snyder fails.

[HerdinKY]

JMO on a few things 1. Pruett did get us into this mess and I agree that one could argue that Pruett was burned out and had lost control and the team would've continued to spiral out of control.  2.  I think Pruett was a better coach than Snyder but not near the recruiter but while Snyder can still gain experience I don't think recruiting would've ever been fixed.  3.  I think regardless Snyder has through 2009 unless he just totally implodes.  Bob was a wizard but had run his course.  Snyder has a long way to go but has the youth, drive, and energy to get there.

[catbird70]

Interesting thread topic....

My two cents.....

I think BP if he stayed would have had winning seasons...but barely....I think we would have seen seasons similar to his last one at Marshall.

I think he wouldnt have made the in game coaching mistakes....we would have beaten KState...for starters....

I also think he would have made some better personel decisions that would have made a difference of about 2 extra wins per year....

That is ...IF...he wasnt sick, burnt out, and tired.....but given his state....it was probably the best thing for him to step down.

[herdfan429]

We have basically had similar seasons when comparing Pruetts last and Snyders first two years.  6-6, 4-7, 5-7.  We also played in the Mac with Pruett AND he also had 20 yrs of coaching under his belt before he was a HC.  Experience goes a long way.

[goherd50]

-And, a handful of games where we just look to be totally unprepared and lost, i.e. Southern Miss last year, ECU, K-State

Say what you want about Pruett, and I do agree that he was the man in charge when we got in this mess.  But he never got out-coached and we were always prepared and ready to play.

Toledo 2000 ring any bells?  If I recall correctly we were down 42-0 at halftime.  How about Fort Worth Bowl?

Don't take that as a crack at Coach Pruett.  I think he was a terrific coach and would love for him to still be coaching.  Just pointing out that maybe we should be a little more realistic when evaluating Coach Snyder.  Every coach has games when his team looks unprepared.  It may be scheme wise or emotionally, but it happens to the best of them.

[W0lfman]

this is a QA with Pruett that ran about a month before he retired.  Sounds like hw as completely aware of this issues facing the program and was going to working on righting the ship.  Worthwhile read to look back at for sure...

http://www.herdfans.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=234

[marshallmark]

We will probably get there with Snyder, but.....

IMO, if Pruett had been our coach the last 2 years, we would have won several more games..... probably went bowling both years.......

OK, I'm done.......

Sorry for "unlocking" the thread.....

Here's a refund...now go away!









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[DC01HERD]

I sure hope Snyder takes the non-conference games a little more serious than he did last year. I mean, last year against WV he comes out in a base defense, no gimmicks and no in game adjustments made on the fly. It was very discouraging to sit there and watch WV line up and run the ball for 10yd clips at a time.

I think he needs to take a more aggressive approach to every game, when you're 9-14 every game is a must win. I hope he doesn't wait until we're 1-4  or god forbid 1-5 before he declares the Tulsa game a must win.

[Garbanjo]

I think he needs to take a more aggressive approach to every game, when you're 9-14 every game is a must win.

 :mad:

[goherd17]

:) We are not the coaches and even though Snyder has made a few mistakes he is learning also and he is the coach.  Our 2 cents does not matter you are either with the herd or your not.  We have to many fair weather fans as it is.

[DC01HERD]

Don't mistake me being critical as not being down w/ the Herd. I'm just a realist.

If that makes me less of a fan in your eyes, so be it.

[hookem herd]

One thing we all seem to forget is that Coach Pruett had to constantly fight the former Administration for funding for the program. If he was burned out it was do to this. When you have to take on the school president constantly for thing that you work so hard to get donations for, it really wears on a person. The last class that Coach Pruett recruited was no slouch. I seem to remember how excited everyone of us were. On paper it looks as if Coach Snyder has some outstanding recruits coming in. I hope that he can develope them into quality Division 1 players. Greg White was an outstanding recruiter, but his players never got any better once they got here. Again only time will tell. I for for one sure hope that he turns out to be the very best X/O coach we ever have. As for now, Coach Pruett is the best Coach Marshall has ever had. The numbers do not lie!!!

[MUFAN70]

People,People,People. Most of you wanted Synder as the head coach. Now you are calling for his head. You seem to forget that we went out and hired a coach that had never been a head coach at any level. If you look at the situation realistically, you know that it take ALL coaches several years to learn how to be a head coach. We as Marshall fans just need to shut up and let the man learn the job.

IMO Mark will become a very good head coach and have a very good program if we just give him some time. In a few years we will be trying to figure out how to keep him. 70.

[ThunderValley]

we went out and hired a coach that had never been a head coach at any level

We seem to have a habit of doing that. Is it good or bad? I don't know, time will tell.

[tomv]

-And, a handful of games where we just look to be totally unprepared and lost, i.e. Southern Miss last year, ECU, K-State

Say what you want about Pruett, and I do agree that he was the man in charge when we got in this mess.  But he never got out-coached and we were always prepared and ready to play.

Toledo 2000 ring any bells?  If I recall correctly we were down 42-0 at halftime.  How about Fort Worth Bowl?

Don't take that as a crack at Coach Pruett.  I think he was a terrific coach and would love for him to still be coaching.  Just pointing out that maybe we should be a little more realistic when evaluating Coach Snyder.  Every coach has games when his team looks unprepared.  It may be scheme wise or emotionally, but it happens to the best of them.

Ok how about 2000?   That Toledo game was the low point.  Pruett figured out a way to rally the troops and still win a conference championship.  That team was average at best but they came together made the adjustments mid season and brought home the hardware.   That is good coaching.   Fort Worth Bowl... OK I'll give you that one.  Unprepared and IMO that team had no senior leadership.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm behind Snyder all the way.  Like many have stated in this thread he's still learning on the job.  But the faithful won't put up with much more losing.  It's time to produce.   I'd be happy to just make it to a bowl game and to be competitive in every game.

[wasbarryb]

You seem to forget that we went out and hired a coach that had never been a head coach at any level. If you look at the situation realistically, you know that it take ALL coaches several years to learn how to be a head coach. We as Marshall fans just need to shut up and let the man learn the job.

IMO Mark will become a very good head coach and have a very good program if we just give him some time. In a few years we will be trying to figure out how to keep him. 70.

Sorry, but Pruett had never been a head coach, went 15-0 his first year.

Donnan- Had never been a head coach, seemed to do pretty well in his first year.

Chaump- Had been IUP head coach

Parrish- won right off the bat with no head coaching experience.

Randall- had been head coach at Citadel, should have been fired a year earlier than he was.

In short lackof previous head coaching experience has not always result in "ALL" coaches needing several years experience as a head coach.

I was happy to see Snider given the job and want to see him succeed, however his learning curve has been steeper than I like. If there is no improvement this year and/or no significant turn around next year, I think we need to start looking for a new option.

[catbird70]

Sorry, but Pruett had never been a head coach, went 15-0 his first year.

sorry bud....go back and check your facts...BP had been a head coach before....he coached several DC area high schools and had some nearly undefeated teams.....

I think the fact that BP has coached for so long at so many different levels really helped him....as opposed to just being an assistant on a few winning programs at big schools that always had top notch recruits like many coaches...

thats part of what is so special about BP IMO...