Topic: I'm just sick fellas

[W0lfman]

In my wildest dreams did I ever think I would experience the feeling I have right now about the football program.  I honestly cant figure out  where it all went wrong.  This sucks...

[GreenSteve]

In my wildest dreams did I ever think I would experience the feeling I have right now about the football program.  I honestly cant figure out  where it all went wrong.  This sucks...

These things are like a roller coaster.

We'll go up, we'll go down.

Look at the programs that were hot when we were in the MAC. Toledo just got beaten by Buffalo, Miami is even, and WMU has a losing record.

In CUSA, USM is in big trouble, UH is struggling, and there's no clear champ this year. UCF is two years removed from an 0-11 season.

Remember when Colorado State was regularly beating Colorado in Denver and Sonny Lubick was winning MWC? CSU is in an 11 game slide....

Not to say that Coach Snyder isn't responsible for the team's record. He'd be responsible if we were 6-0. But, I think, if we remind ourselves to stay on track, we'll go back up.

I do believe that we're not as bad as our record indicates. But it is our record. The roller coaster -- at this point -- can only go back up.

My thoughts,

GreenSteve

[W0lfman]

Good thoughts, GS.  I'm looking for something to grasp that gives me a positive feeling.

[herdman]

The worst part is that apathy is starting to set in. I know several fans who just say they aren't upset when we lose anymore. They expect it.  Plus, there are some fans who have lowered their expectations and have bought into a notion that we should accept losing.  The great programs demand winners. Earl Bruce at Ohio State was fired and he averaged 9 wins a season.  Look at Nebraska firing an AD during a football season. Look at Larry Coker at Miami.  It wasn't that fight that cost him his job. It was he didn't win enough.  We have a group of fans that have bough into a notion that our proud program had to be built.  It didn't.  Thow in an three ring circus that is the ADepartment and who really knows who is even in charge of the university and you have a recipe for disaster.

[W0lfman]

I wasnt pissed that we lost Saturday.  Thats really sad on my part.  5 years ago I would've benn tossing things off the wall if we'd lose.

[herdman]

Me either. I expected us to lose and I expect us to lose Sunday.  That is the scary part.  Like you, I used to go nuts over loss to the point of being ill.

[Green Dog]

I don't think I've missed a home game in well more than a decade. I've always enjoyed watching the Herd. I've loved the wide open style we became known for in the late 80's and 90's. Its my favorite brand of football and I'll watch it no matter who it is.

I can honestly say Mark Snyder has taken that away from me. His conservative, play for field position, philosophy is not the Herd football I have enjoyed all these years. In fact, its extremely boring for me, even if we would win a few, its just not the Football I enjoy watching.

I go for different reasons now. I go mainly because I feel obligated. Almost like I owe them. I fear even this guilty feeling will pass soon.

[extragreen]

The worst part is that apathy is starting to set in. I know several fans who just say they aren't upset when we lose anymore. They expect it.  Plus, there are some fans who have lowered their expectations and have bought into a notion that we should accept losing.  The great programs demand winners. Earl Bruce at Ohio State was fired and he averaged 9 wins a season.  Look at Nebraska firing an AD during a football season. Look at Larry Coker at Miami.  It wasn't that fight that cost him his job. It was he didn't win enough.  We have a group of fans that have bough into a notion that our proud program had to be built.  It didn't.  Thow in an three ring circus that is the ADepartment and who really knows who is even in charge of the university and you have a recipe for disaster.

The lowering of expectations is what scares me the most. That my friends can get you to the point where the 'roller coaster' never leaves the lowest point, and you just sit there waitning for the ride to start...and it never does. We cannot allow Herd fans to lower their expectations, it just cannot be allowed.

[FLORIDA HERD FAN]

Bonehead plays have taken the Herd out of each game, beginning with Miami's supposed interception of a tipped inside screen early in the game.  Snyder conceded the momentum-changing return of the INT for a TD -- even though a replay clearly showed that the ball was touching the ground as the Miami player snagged it.

The game was effectively over at that point.

[Thunder Struck]

The lowering of expectations is what scares me the most. That my friends can get you to the point where the 'roller coaster' never leaves the lowest point, and you just sit there waitning for the ride to start...and it never does. We cannot allow Herd fans to lower their expectations, it just cannot be allowed.

Its these very thougths that continue the madness. I simply cant comprehend how someone can have high expectations after what has been displayed on the football field for the last 2 1/2 years.

Im sick myself WOLFMAN ... sick that our AD is allowing this to continue. We all know if Snyder was trying to build back a program at a powerhouse school ... he would be gone next year. We know from watching him ... he cant create a game plan going into a game, much less make proper halftime adustments. We know from the very top ... to the very simple things such as calling time out or controlling a game clock ... he just cant manage. The list can go on and on ... but the fact still remains ... Snyder is a great guy who everyone at first wanted to be the guy ... but lets face it ... you either have it or you dont. I really dont care who the coach is at this point ... as long as he can lead this program back on top.


If we just set back and relax for a second and think. Put this on your plate for just a minute and look it over. KO took a very, very big gamble in Snyder when they gave him the extension. As Ive said before ... it has to be one of the most stupid business decissions Ive ever saw. Now lets look at where we are ... we stand with a coach that has not proven himself on the field. We must make the decission of keeping him for another year ... which is a major gamble. He will either do two things ... some how pull a rabbit out of his hat and start winning ballgames ... or he will continue to slid the program in a downward spiral.

This is a bigger gamble than the extension in my mind. You have the understanding the gamble at first might not have paid off. Now that you are at the point of no return ... do you gamble again with keeping Snyder, knowing in the back of your mind this program can be burried up to its neck that will take years and years to come out of. There is a cost one must pay for losing games all the time. The biggest problem is getting good athletes to come to your program. No good athlete that has played the game from peewee ball ... will waste his goal and dream of someday playing college football ... and step into a program that is 0-12 ... 2-10

WOLFMAN ... its a major gamble to keep him. We must cut ties with him, lose money in paying him off and gain in the long run.

[HerdnClt]

What I am confused about is how you get an extension without ever having one winning season.  For three years I have been patiently telling myself that the program was ready to turn around.  I have watched Marshall football for many, many years and not had the feeling I have now.  If I can't see the game now or we lose, it's like , oh well...

[Thundering Herb]

What I am confused about is how you get an extension without ever having one winning season.

I believe KO's brilliant reasoning was that he didn't want anyone stealing Snyder.


Like there's a big demand for first year coaches with a 4-7 record.

[Collis P]

I thought I would never, every respond to this mind set.......  However I have been (like Green Dog) going to games since the 60's and seen a lot of exciting football..  Home and Away....

I am at the point of continuing to go to specific home games this year.. However I will be looking at doing other things next year.......  I will continue to purchase my seanson tickets (5) and donation...(maybe give to some younger fans who want to see Marshall)....     Will most likely go to the Henderson and Olympic events next year.......

It was a great run, and really enjoyed each year of growing......

Good luck to all the Student Athletes......Keep working hard in school and your sport.........

[marshall1123]

I really think that we will break through with a win this week. I watched the game last week and the momentum in the second half was going our way. I think you guys also need to remember that was a very good tulsa team at home. The same tulsa team that put 45 on oklahoma's defense. I think our team needs a little home crowd support this week and we will get our win. Winning is contagious. It's like a basketball game where you miss 5 shots in a row and then you finally make one and you are rolling. I think we will break the ice and then continue our winning ways. I realize this is not going to be the season we all hoped for but things happen. I would never have dreamed Albert would have been lost for the season along with most of the defensive line that hurts. I think we should all show up at the walk be loud be proud and show the spirit that the team showed last week against tulsa. REMEMBER IT IS A NIGHT GAME AND THOSE ARE OUR SPECIALTY!

WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!


WE ARE...

[herdfan_07]

The worst part is that apathy is starting to set in.

Apathy sat in a long time ago.  I think the emotion is already gone this season.  The players don't have it, the fans don't have it, and our coaching staff doesn't have it.  Poor ole Snyder sounded so gloomy in his pre-game talk on the radio before the game this week that I thought he was going to cry.  I just think everyone is sick, and really just wants to survive this season without killing ourselves.  Most of us including myself have already moved on to basketball because it's the only thing we have left to look forward to.  We are all just going through the motions because we feel obligated.  Regardless of who goes and who stays something has to be done as soon as the season ends.  I don't care if it's Marcum, Kueck, Snyder or whoever something has to be done or this football program as we know it will die.  No fans will come, and before you know it we will be holding lower attendances than many MAC teams.

[ThunderValley]

I can remember sitting in the stadium and thinking there is no way we are going to lose the game. Confidence was the key and we all had plenty of it.
It is a different feeling now. I know we will win a game at some point. Hopefully it will be Sunday. But I can't shake the feeling that it is not going to mean as much to me as it did before. I have no confidence in  the coaches and really feel bad for the players. They put their heart and soul into the games but they seem to lose because of bad decisions.
I feel the program will be back. But not until major changes are made. JMO

[bbcard1]

in 2005 when we took a powder against Akron,  I was so distraught I could not be in a room with a football game on the television for two weeks and I went nearly a month without wearing my Marshall colors.  My first waking thought each day was "we lost to f***ing Akron."  Not what a beautiful family I had, not what a good life I had, not about the many friendship I owe mainly to Marshall football.

I don't like losing now. I don't like it at all. But there is little I can do about it.  I don't let it ruin my week anymore.

I still go to most of the games.  I buy season tickets. I give more to the school than I ever did...because I can control, at least in a small measure whether we have enough money to build a new softball field.  I can't do crap about the fact that we are thin on defensive tackle. I can influence the kid at church who is interested in a good school for a criminal justice degree, but I can't do much about us overscheduling.

I am probably more involved with Marshall than ever, it's just that when we lose a football game it makes me less sad and it stomps on my soul a little less.  And for the life of me I can't see that as bad.  Frankly guys, I never got an incredible high when we beat Akron or Troy or Little Miami, I just got a terrible feeling when we lost to them. All in all, my life is happier being less intense, but I don't think that makes me any less of a fan.

[wasbarryb]

The worst part is that apathy is starting to set in.

Apathy sat in a long time ago.  I think the emotion is already gone this season.  The players don't have it, the fans don't have it, and our coaching staff doesn't have it.  Poor ole Snyder sounded so gloomy in his pre-game talk on the radio before the game this week that I thought he was going to cry.  I just think everyone is sick, and really just wants to survive this season without killing ourselves.  Most of us including myself have already moved on to basketball because it's the only thing we have left to look forward to.  We are all just going through the motions because we feel obligated.  Regardless of who goes and who stays something has to be done as soon as the season ends.  I don't care if it's Marcum, Kueck, Snyder or whoever something has to be done or this football program as we know it will die.  No fans will come, and before you know it we will be holding lower attendances than many MAC teams.

I almost hate myself for what I’m about to post, ‘cause I really hate posters who frequently make the type of post I’m about to make.

However I’ve been a Herd follower since 1970. I listened to the BG game that kept us from setting the record for longest losing streak ever (at that time at least). I’ve seen the plane crash first hand. I can remember hoping till the last game of the season for one more win so we will have won more than one game I’ve suffered through fourteen straight losing seasons before experiencing a winning season. I’ve enjoyed 20 straight winning seasons before the current drought..

I’ve learned a few things from this experience. Losing sucks and winning is a hell of a lot more fun. But most of all I know I’ll always follow the Herd cause they’re my team. I’m a fan and I may not be happy about how things are going, but I’m not leaving.

Most of us are discouraged right now. I’m not sure what will right the ship. Maybe another season, maybe a new coach a season or two from now. G-D I hope it won’t be many, many, many years... What ever it takes I ain’t leaving, and those of you do aren’t real fans.

[Garbanjo]

Most of us are discouraged right now. I’m not sure what will right the ship. Maybe another season, maybe a new coach a season or two from now. G-D I hope it won’t be many, many, many years... What ever it takes I ain’t leaving, and those of you do aren’t real fans.

Preach it! I have degrees from Florida, Florida State and Clemson, but cut me and see the green blood run from my veins.

I'm with the Herd for life...................

[Photo by]

Well said guys. Well said. Being a Herd Fan isn't like being a fan anywhere else.

[w-sherdfan]

Agreed!!

Marshall 4ever...........

Go HERD !!!!!!

[extragreen]

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 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject:    

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The lowering of expectations is what scares me the most. That my friends can get you to the point where the 'roller coaster' never leaves the lowest point, and you just sit there waitning for the ride to start...and it never does. We cannot allow Herd fans to lower their expectations, it just cannot be allowed.



Its these very thougths that continue the madness. I simply cant comprehend how someone can have high expectations after what has been displayed on the football field for the last 2 1/2 years.
 
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It sounds as if you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say. My point was supposed to be: we can't afford to have fans that lower their expectations by saying 'give someone 4 years' even if no improvement is seen. We cannot afford to have the fans lower their expectations by saying that 6 wins is enough next year to show improvement and keep the coaching staff. A 6-6 year next year means we would have 5 consecutive non-winning seasons. Not acceptable.

[Thunder Struck]

It sounds as if you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say

I humbly stand corrected ... agreed

[The Right Stuff]

Yes being a Herd fan is a unique and special relationship.  We are a special band of brothers and sisters.  We have been forged from the sweat, blood and river of tears of those that have gone before us.   Football is just not a game but it is the very life blood that flows through every muscle and fiber of many of us.  It hurts my very soul to see what has become of our program.  Not only the losing on the field but the civil unrest that is eating away at our very existence.  Whatever has created this cancer at this point is of very little consequence.  It has been set into motion.  All that I know for sure is that malignancy must be excised quickly before this body that we all love dearly succumbs to an untimely fate.  In other words KO, Kopp, Snyder , BOG or whoever get off your duff and fix this problem.  The players, fans and this community deserve better for what they have been through.

TRS
MU 71

[Chevy1]

What I am confused about is how you get an extension without ever having one winning season.

I believe KO's brilliant reasoning was that he didn't want anyone stealing Snyder.


Like there's a big demand for first year coaches with a 4-7 record.

Herb - President Kopp gave Snyder his extension.... not Kayo.

BTW, Snyder wasn't Kayo's pick for coach either.....

While we're at it, Kayo had no hand in the "not so spicy" wings served at Hooters.  Also, I have it from excellent sources that Kayo wasn't involved with the pot hole on Washington Ave and 14th Street, and the construction downtown on 3rd Avenue.... Kayo is innocent.

I'm not Kayo's drinking buddy, family relation or heir.  In fact, I've never met him, but before "publishing" something about someone, it's generally a good idea to get the details correct.  By the way, when you post on a board, you are, in fact, publishing.