Topic: Lamar Advertising

[NEHERDFAN]

I have strongly advocated a total housecleaning -- Kopp, Marcum and Snyder.

But, if I owned Lamar, I would have told you exactly the same thing.  Business is business.

If Lamar had any balls they would have gladly taken my money. If they own all the billboards in town where else is Marshall going to advertise? No where. Lamar would not have lost them as a client.

[carolinaherdfan]

I very well may have handled the situation in a like manner if this were my business in Huntington, but I would still lose if NE would take this to court.

[Max]

Pure insanity is keeping Snyder & Kayo past this year.

I'm not disputing that.  What I am disputing is embarrassing him and his family in a way that is totally ridiculous.  I agree he needs to go, however, I would like to show a lot of dignity and respect in the process.

[carolinaherdfan]

Max, I as well hope everything can be handled in a dignified manner, but NE does has the right to do what he has posted here on this thread that he wanted to do. I am not supporting his action in any way, only to say he has the right, and we do not have the right to SILENCE him.

[Cocky Jeremy]

Coach Snyder has a family, and that includes younger children.  His family does not need to be brought into the spotlight of his coaching career in a negative way.  Any rational person would understand that.  It's a game, nothing more or nothing less.  I understand that coaches and players get a lot of benefits from the game, but it is still a game.  Subjecting his family to mob rule and public embarrassment because he doesn't win enough football games is nonsensical.  The fact that anyone would even consider this shows how our society has its values totally out of whack.  Your past actions of charitable donations do not excuse questionable behavior in the future.   I'm not a fan of Coach Snyder.  His performance has been less than acceptable, but lets face it, sports should be kept in its proper perspective.  Donate the money so somebody can actually get some benefit out of it.  

It's comes with the job and Snyder knew it. He's already an embarrassment. A billboard won't make him look any more retarded than he already does. I'm sure his kids hear daily that everyone hates him and wants him gone.

[MarshallMatrix]

I support your cause for a new athletic director immediately.

However, a billboard with anything negative regarding the Football team should wait till after the season. For the players sake. IMHO

[FireHerd]

Look Carolina, I love your passion, but you knowledge of the law is severely lacking.  This guy has no “civil right” to make a business put up a billboard.  If the government was putting up billboards your argument would have some merit.  However, Lamar is a private business.  Thus, freedom of speech does not apply because there is no government activity.  It can choose to do business with whomever or whatever they please.  In this case, Lamar doesn’t want to anger its biggest client. 

[carolinaherdfan]

If you own an advertising business that offers your service to the public, and he requests to place an advertisement on one of your boards; as long as it is not considered 'obscene' as difined by the US Supreme Court, he has that right to rent that space, and if you refuse him that right you have violated his constitutional rights. Check it out.

[CamdenPark]

The essence of this thread is the violation of NEHERDFANS civil rights, Period.  And please let's not draw the women, children, and the orphans into this discussion.

You people are out of your F'ing minds.

[carolinaherdfan]

I'll bet my playground against your playgroud. :)

[Thundering Lydia]

I very well may have handled the situation in a like manner if this were my business in Huntington, but I would still lose if NE would take this to court.

Actually, I don't think so, Carolina.  I used to work in marketing / advertising.  One cable ad company I worked for had a company policy that they would NOT advertise for anyone they felt projected an image that might reflect poorly on the advertising company.   They had a slogan---"We are what we air."  Just one example---our ad sales dogs were NOT allowed to sell to strip clubs.

As was stated, as a private business, they can choose who they want to do business with and have wide latitudes in what defines that criteria.

[Cocky Jeremy]

I support your cause for a new athletic director immediately.

However, a billboard with anything negative regarding the Football team should wait till after the season. For the players sake. IMHO

It isn't a billboard against our team. It's against Snyder. And i'm willing to bet at very least, a good number of the players feel the same way as we do. And if it does "hurt their feelings" who cares? Most of them are here getting a free education, they'll be fine.

[banker]

How about:

FIRE KAYO AND SNYDER

                              GOD

[carolinaherdfan]

Here's the deal Lydia, and I really hate that I am the one defending this situation which I had nothing to do with to begin, but if a company is open to business with public they have to include all the public, so long as it is not obscene.

[jsbowen]

If you own an advertising business that offers your service to the public, and he requests to place an advertisement on one of your boards; as long as it is not considered 'obscene' as difined by the US Supreme Court, he has that right to rent that space, and if you refuse him that right you have violated his constitutional rights. Check it out.

There is a lot wrong with that statement.  FireHerd is right.  An individual does not have the right to a private business's property.

[cubsrams1]

Look Carolina, I love your passion, but you knowledge of the law is severely lacking.  This guy has no “civil right” to make a business put up a billboard.  If the government was putting up billboards your argument would have some merit.  However, Lamar is a private business.  Thus, freedom of speech does not apply because there is no government activity.  It can choose to do business with whomever or whatever they please.  In this case, Lamar doesn’t want to anger its biggest client. 

Ditto.  Sorry Carolina, you are wrong on this one.

[Thundering Lydia]

I understand what you're saying, Carolina (and, trust me, we're in the same camp on most "recent events").  But I really don't think there's a legal issue, here.  For example, if someone contacted ISP (a private business that sells advertising to the public, just like Lamar) and wanted to buy radio air time during MU games and the coach's call-in show, ads in the HERD INSIDER, and game-time ads on the jumbotron calling for the firing of Snyder and/or Marcum, would they HAVE to legally sell those ads to that potential customer?  No, ISP has the right to turn them away.

[2001grad]

I don't see where family was brought into this.

But, poor Mark Snyder he only makes 6 figures.  I'm sure if he gets fired he and his family will live on the streets?

Give me a break.

Right now he is costing Marshall University millions of dollars.

Find someone in Boone, NC and ask them how much their school has grown and how much more money their school has taken in the past 4 years because of football. 

I think it would be funny as shi!t to see a sign on ESPN about MS and his sucky job. 

I guess Marcum will have something printed up for the ESPN media though saying how good of a job MS is doing.  Didn't he do that last year?

[carolinaherdfan]

I don't have to be right on this. I only posted as to how I understand the interpretaions of the US Supreme Court. I did not initiate this action, nor supported it, but whomever believes I can start up a private advertising agency anyplace in America tommorrow, and be open for public business, and tell someone they cannont say what they want to say on a public billboard space because it goes against my biggest client, and is not obscene are badly mistaking IMHO>You folks are in for one big surprise.

ps. to make this a little more close to home. MU decided to advertise their football program here in Myrtle Beach. There was an individual who complained about this since they are loctaed in WV, and were told they (the advertising agency) did not have the legal grounds to refuse them having their add.

[DC01HERD]

I don't see where family was brought into this.

But, poor Mark Snyder he only makes 6 figures.  I'm sure if he gets fired he and his family will live on the streets?

Give me a break.

Right now he is costing Marshall University millions of dollars.

Find someone in Boone, NC and ask them how much their school has grown and how much more money their school has taken in the past 4 years because of football. 

I think it would be funny as shi!t to see a sign on ESPN about MS and his sucky job. 

I guess Marcum will have something printed up for the ESPN media though saying how good of a job MS is doing.  Didn't he do that last year?

No doubt 2001!  Marcum handed out flyers comparing Snyders' record  to other coaches in their first 3 years. Donnan had a funny comment during the halftime saying Marcum should be out raising money instead of surveys.

[Max]

I don't see where family was brought into this.

But, poor Mark Snyder he only makes 6 figures.  I'm sure if he gets fired he and his family will live on the streets?

Give me a break.

Right now he is costing Marshall University millions of dollars.

Find someone in Boone, NC and ask them how much their school has grown and how much more money their school has taken in the past 4 years because of football. 

I think it would be funny as shi!t to see a sign on ESPN about MS and his sucky job. 

I guess Marcum will have something printed up for the ESPN media though saying how good of a job MS is doing.  Didn't he do that last year?

When you attack the man in an irrational way, it affects the family greatly.  Football Coach is what he does, it is not what he is.  We can argue the merits of his job without mentally abusing his children and wife.  Whether the family is directly attacked or not, does not excuse the fact that they will be brought into it.  Putting up a billboard that openly disgraces the man will affect his family.  Nobody deserves that.   There is no doubt, coaching salaries are way out of control.   I don't agree with paying coaches, or players, for that matter, that much money to throw around a ball.  However, we put a high price on entertainment in our country, and those are the rules that have been established.  Having said that, the large salary comes with criticism and lack of job stability.   However, his family should not have to endure a billboard that openly disgraces their husband/father.  They can avoid message boards and call-shows.  Again, he is a football coach, nothing more or nothing less.  It's a game.  Be passionate about the game, but lets keep it in perspective.

[Thundering Lydia]

I don't have to be right on this.

Hey, I'm just enjoying talking about something other than our recent football woes.  It's a nice distraction.   ;)

[NEHERDFAN]

Since the KKS mafia has everyone in Huntington scared. I emailed espn to let them know what they are in for next week in Huntington. Believe me when I say this, ESPN will not be back to H-town to televise another game during MS's tenure.

[DC01HERD]

When you attack the man in an irrational way, it affects the family greatly.  Football Coach is what he does, it is not what he is.  We can argue the merits of his job without mentally abusing his children and wife.  Whether the family is directly attacked or not, does not excuse the fact that they will be brought into it.  Putting up a billboard that openly disgraces the man will affect his family.  Nobody deserves that.   There is no doubt, coaching salaries are way out of control.   I don't agree with paying coaches, or players, for that matter, that much money to throw around a ball.  However, we put a high price on entertainment in our country, and those are the rules that have been established.  Having said that, the large salary comes with criticism and lack of job stability.   However, his family should not have to endure a billboard that openly disgraces their husband/father.  They can avoid message boards and call-shows.  Again, he is a football coach, nothing more or nothing less.  It's a game.  Be passionate about the game, but lets keep it in perspective.

Then it shouldn't have gotten into coaching. Business is business. This is the real world. If you don't produce you don't have a job. It's a capitalistic society.

[FireHerd]

Carolina, again, I love your passion.  I want Snyder fired very badly.  However, have you passed the bar exam?

I have.

You are wrong.