Topic: Texas A&M and Clemson to SEC (strong possibility)

[ThunderDent]

Looks like we might be on the conference merry-go-round again soon (within the next year).

Texas A&M unhappy with new Big 12 (-2). Looks like SEC may pull the trigger and head to 14 adding Texas A&M and Clemson.

It's on like Donkey Kong after that. I've said all along 14 is a perfect number for conferences, so maybe that's where we'll end up. 16 seems too big. 14 you get to play everyone in your division (3 home/3 away) and a cross division primary rival (home or away) then 2 (of remaining 6) opp div teams rotating though.


http://kansasstate.scout.com/2/1086147.html

http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=503633

[wvmafia]

The Clemson move surprises me some, but the A&M move is one I've expected in the last couple of shuffles.  Whether it works out that the SEC picks them up or someone else, I don't see any way that they stay in the Big 12.  They've been unhappy (unrightfully so IMHO) for years and the stronger Texas' power and influence gets, they get more unhappy!

Even though the Clemson move surprises me, it is one of the most logical moves in all this re-alignment talk.  They are a terd in a punch bowl in the ACC.

[ThunderDent]

If that happens, so far I've predicted some of the major movements, the leftovers it's hard to tell what will happen.

In 3 years I think we'll see this happen tho...

SEC picks A&M and Clemson (although NCState or Fla St are still possibilities)

B1G picks up 2 and also goes to 14 increasing TV's for BigTen network and expanding to 2 major eastern US cities (DC & NYC).
(Maryland & Rutgers). This not only helps East coast presence, but actually helps preserve many traditional BigTen rivalry games.

ACC now has 2 losses and sits at 10. also goes to 14 and adds UConn, Syracuse, WVU and Pitt. Splits divisions along old conference lines.

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This is where it gets fun, and who knows how it will turn out. This leaves Big XII with 9 teams. Iowa St., K-State, Mizzou, Texas Tech, Okie St., Kansas, Baylor, Oklahoma & Texas. Texas may go Indy here, or PAC-12 may swoop in and go to 14 inviting Texas & Oklahoma (creating a southwest division), and allowing Texas to keep its LHN.

Big East has UofL, Cincy, USF and TCU left. MWC & CUSA still have everyone left. Does Big XII try to grow to 14 if UT and OU leave? Does BigEast football conference cease to exist? Where do all the leftovers head to?

We need to be getting ready winning soon is all I know.

All teams have cross-div rival, same number opp div, that they play annually.
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SEC (first to act)
East
1-UK, 2-Tenn, 3- Vandy, 4- SC, 5-Clemson, 6-Georgia, 7-Florida
West
1-MSU, 2-Bama, 3-Ole Miss, 4-Ark, 5-Tex A&M, 6-Auburn, 7-LSU

B1G (second to act)
East
1-Rutgers, 2-Maryland, 3-Penn St, 4-Ohio St, 5-Indiana, 6-Purdue, 7-Illinois
West
1-Nebraska, 2-Wisc., 3-Mich St, 4-Mich., 5-Minn., 6-Iowa, 7- NW

ACC (third to act)
Atlantic
1-UConn, 2-Syracuse, 3-WVU, 4-VT, 5-BC, 6-Pitt, 7-Miami
Coastal
1-UNC, 2-Duke, 3-GT, 4-UVA, 5-Wake, 6-NC State, 7- Fla St.

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PAC-14 (possible if Texas & Okla jump)
Pacific
1-UW, 2-Wazzu, 3-Oregon, 4-Oreg St., 5-Stanford, 6-Cal, 7-USC
Southwest
1-Arizona, 2-Ariz St., 3-Texas, 4-Oklahoma, 5-Utah, 6-Colorado, 7-UCLA

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After that it's anyones game. Who knows where we'll all end up.

[ThunderDent]

The fun thing will be what the Big XII will do if UT & OU leave.

They'll have 7  ... Iowa St, Kansas, K-State, Okie St, Mizzou, Baylor, Texas Tech

If they decide to become the Big XIV, do they add 7? Does baylor Stay with them, or go to be with UH, SMU, etc.?

They would need 7-8 schools from

Louisville, Cincy, USF, TCU, All of CUSA, All of MWC.

Does MWC survive and become BCS? Who knows where all this ends up. I just hope we aren't left out. Ideally it would be great to be in a league with Louisville, Cincy, ECU, Memphis, UCF, USF, etc. IMO.

[herd2win]

Back to the MAC most likely.....

[ThunderDent]

Doubtful ...

[CJHerdgrad]

Interesting.  This is all due to U of Texas not wanting to share.  The Texas legislature could interfere & stop it, though.  A lot of grads from the other Texas schools serve and can bring pressure.

Clemson is just unhappy that they've not been able to capitalize on Fla State's decline and now that FSU appears to be back, they see their window of opportunity closing.  They would be in worse shape in the SEC.  Best bet for them is to stay put.  More competitive and with more mouths to feed maybe not much more money.

[ThunderDent]

CJ with the SEC expanding by 2, they are forcing renegotiation of their TV deal and are looking for even more money. Even if Clemson got an equal share of the current contract it would be more than they are making in the ACC I imagine.

SEC will always rule CFB, and can pretty much take it's pick of who it wants and what network it wants to be on. They structure their contracts to benefit them the best, and networks would fight over them to get it. They are also loyal, which is why CBS always keeps them happy.

TAMU is a great fit (esp with the history/rivalry with Arkansas). Clemson I like, but is a double state move. However looking at the SEC (Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi) are all double state moves. The SEC gets by as a national conference when they are the tightest knit southeastern group compared to all the other leagues trying to expand from sea-to-shining sea for the almighty dollar.

I still would think Fla St (poss UF block?) or NC State (to pick up North Carolina market) might be a candidate if Clemson is not. However, out of all the ACC, Clemson is the most SEC like school and fan base, which goes a long way with the SEC.

One of the biggest reasons the SEC is the way it is is because of rivalries. Which is what you get when you have schools that are close in driving distance to each other. Couple that with time and history, and some intrastate rival games, and you've got a conference that everybody wants to watch and all the kids want to play in.

[Taft#1]

Back to the MAC most likely.....

Agreed . I think the MAC will look different than what it does now though .

[SuperAnjario]

Not back to MAC.  These moves would benefit Marshall.  Most likely end up in new CUSA or Big East (minus WVU) that looks like the old CUSA (UC, UL, USF).  WVU moving on would be best for us (no longer have competitive advantage against conference schools & free up spot in BE)

No MAC. 

[herdfan429]

What about USC the fake one not the one in California joining the ACC in stead of Clemson leaving for the SEC.

[ThunderDent]

South Carolina used to be in the ACC. Been there, done that. Why would anyone ever want to leave the SEC? Really?

[HuntersvilleHerd]

Clemson would add nothing to the SEC, So Carolina already delivers the tv market. Makes no sense.
Oklahoma State would make more sense than Clemson. Florida State or Miami would really deliver some numbers & geography.

Clemson does neither.

[Marshallguy04]

Unless you live in Clemson, you're a Gamecock fan. I don't know how profitable they'd be or as much of an asset to an even stronger conference in the SEC.

The only thing Clemson can give is the atmosphere. Its about as much of an SEC atmosphere as you can get.
If Clemson hadn't under achieved for the last 8 years, they might've been a much better fit.

Could the ACC go after Navy and Army? Its a great conference fit.

Big Ten should go after Rutgers and Pitt. They control ALL of that section...including the entire state of Pennsylvania...that is huge.

Texas A&M to the SEC would be interesting.

Does TCU go back to the new MWC if it gets a BCS bid?

What are our chances of getting into a BCS conference?

One thing, we HAVE to step up the fundraising now. By the time all of this happens, we'd hopefully have made noise and have a brand new IPF along with fresh new facilities.

Hamrick is also our hope in negotiating our way in...unlike Kancer Marcum...thank goodness.

[MarshallSteve]

Not back to MAC.  These moves would benefit Marshall.  Most likely end up in new CUSA or Big East (minus WVU) that looks like the old CUSA (UC, UL, USF).  WVU moving on would be best for us (no longer have competitive advantage against conference schools & free up spot in BE)

No MAC. 

Good post. I agree.

[GreenBison]

Agreed . I think the MAC will look different than what it does now though .

They'll be 1-AA...

Muck the FAC!!!!

[TomorrowHERD]

I would take Mizzou 100x times before I took Clemson if I were the SEC. 

[ThunderDent]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20110720-texas-meets-with-big-12-schools-to-calm-longhorns-network-fears.ece

More news on the front. Can you imagine the recruiting advantage that you would have if you can televise your recruits HS games on your own network? wow. I hope A&M does bolt for the SEC.

Just hope we end up with UofL, Cincy, Memphis, ECU, UCF, USF somehow.

[herd2win]

A&M will not just take this as everything is OK.  No rational person would not think that it gives Texas a big advantage over other schools if they carry high school games.  I can't believe the NCAA does not have a quick addition to the rules stating that if any conference of individual school has its own network that they cannot cover high school sports.

This looks to be heading to more major shakeups before 2012.  I see changes to scholarship rules and several teams changing conferences.

[ThunderDent]

This is gonna get really, really bad. Look at this from the BEbbs board.
http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=504128

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The Longhorn Network's going to cause problems for way more than just the Big XII

Listen to this interview with Don Brown, the head of the Longhorn Network:
 
http://kznx-am.tritondigitalmedia.com/in...wn6311.mp3
 
Now take a listen to this:
 

Quote:When we get going here in August we are going to cover high school football. We’re probably going to do about 18 games a year the first year to start out. We’ll do some on Thursday, we’ll do some on Saturday, and certainly we’re going to follow the great players in the state. Obviously a kid like Johnathan Gray from Aledo – people are going to want to see Johnathan Gray. I can’t wait to see Johnathan Gray. Feedback we got from our audiences – they just want to see Johnathan Gray run whether it’s 45-0 or not. They want to see more Johnathan Gray! So we’re going to do our best to accommodate them and follow the kids that are being recruited by a lot of the Division I schools – certainly some of the kids Texas has recruited, is recruiting and everyone else in the Big XII is recruiting.

One other thing you may see us do – I know there’s a kid Connor Brewer from Chapparal High School in Arizona. We may try to get one or two of their games on as well so people can see an incoming quarterback that will be part of the scene here in Austin.

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How in the world can the NCAA allow a network dedicated to a single school allow that network to name recruits (remember, coaches aren't allowed to discuss recruits by name, and were even banned from sites like Rivals and Scout) and also have that much access to the coaching staff? Remember, Johnathan Gray and Connor Brewer are only verbal commits to Texas right now and thus are also allowed to be recruited by other schools. How long before the Texas coaching staff decides "we're after recruit X at St. Thomas Aquinas, get the LHN to broadcast their game?" Or they tell recruit Y "commit to us and we'll make sure we get three of your high school games on television?"

USFFan

[Rockin Herd Fan]

I read on the SportingNews.com that the teams that may go to the SEC are Texas A&M and Oklahoma.  I could also see Oklahoma being a part of any further Big 10 expansion.  They are Nebraska's biggest football rival and would provide Nebraska with a school that is close geographically. 

If the Big 12 does get raided and ends up losing Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas then I could see one of two thing happening. 

1)  The Big 12 raids CUSA and takes the Texas schools and probably Tulsa.
2)  The Big 12 dissolves and the remaining teams join the remaining Big East teams and play in East/West divisions.  This scenario would greatly benefit TCU.   

[ThunderDent]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/23/sooners-president-to-push-for-ban-of-televising-high-school-content/


Now Oklahoma is showing its teeth too.

[wvmafia]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/23/sooners-president-to-push-for-ban-of-televising-high-school-content/


Now Oklahoma is showing its teeth too.

I always thought that Oklahoma to the Big Slow 10 was the next "real" team that would move.  A&M and Clemson are not real teams...they are doing what they have to do to maintain relevance...Oklahoma isn't going to sit around and watch the Big 12 give preferential treatment to Texas.  The Big 12 is going to have to pony up a huge cut of their conference revenue to keep them "equal" financially to Texas, or they will move on.  The Big Slow 10 TV revenue ($22,000,000 to each member school last year and most certain to skyrocket with that addition of Nebraska) is a HUGE step up for the Sooners.  The question is, do they have the cache' within the Big 12 for them to get the special treatment? 

The Big 12 will never lose it's BsCS status as long as Texas is part of the conference.  Even if Oklahoma and A&M leave and they have to pick up Houston, Rice, UTEP and Tulsa or UTSA (to get to 12), the Big 12 will be an AQ conference.  That's what I see happening too, for what it's worth.