Topic: Freeh Coverup

[kjh]

Louis Freeh, who investigated PSU, may be guilty of the same schemes he charged PSU officials. The following link is to an article in Business Insider of more than 10,000 cases of looking the other way.

http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-state-investigator-louis-freeh-accused-of-heading-a-massive-cover-up-as-director-of-fbi-2012-7#ixzz20oRrde8h

[wvmafia]

Louis Freeh, who investigated PSU, may be guilty of the same schemes he charged PSU officials. The following link is to an article in Business Insider of more than 10,000 cases of looking the other way.

http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-state-investigator-louis-freeh-accused-of-heading-a-massive-cover-up-as-director-of-fbi-2012-7#ixzz20oRrde8h

Maybe, but the bottom line is that Pedd State accepted his report as complete and stipulated to its truth....Joe is a scumbag who is largely seen as equal to or worse than a child rapist.

[s1uggo]

Maybe, but the bottom line is that Edd State accepted his report as complete and stipulated to its truth....Joe is a scumbag who is largely seen as equal to or worse than a child rapist.

which part of Joe makes him a scumbag?  His 78% graduation rate (what's MU's) or is the $4 million he has given back to PSU?  Or did you not like the fact he had second information and reported up his chain of command.  All while the AG of Pa, said Joe acted properly.
Maybe it is when he held kids out of bowl games, although eligible by NCAA, they did not work up to his standards.  sounds like a scumbag to me.

[lovetheherd2]

which part of Joe makes him a scumbag?  His 78% graduation rate (what's MU's) or is the $4 million he has given back to PSU?  Or did you not like the fact he had second information and reported up his chain of command.  All while the AG of Pa, said Joe acted properly.
Maybe it is when he held kids out of bowl games, although eligible by NCAA, they did not work up to his standards.  sounds like a scumbag to me.

Sluggo, been down this road before... here's your position... continue to defend the child abusers until the trials occur...

JoPA made HUGE mistakes.. who knows why. I was also a fan at one time. Age, concern over legacy, concern for his beloved intitution?? Some Religious Authorities have committed similar sins, for which they are now being convicted.

Stop defending pedofiles and their protectors...
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Quote from: s1uggo on Yesterday at 07:02:01 PM

might want ot re-read the Freeh report based on several corrections that are now coming out.

first the DA investigated 1998 and found no crimmal activity on Sandusky's part.  Next what did JOe know in 2001, he did not know atoub 1998, (Freeh may have concluded this, but 1) that is not Joe's testimony 2) the Freeh report is now changing many of the 1998 emails to 2001 emails. 
so in 2001 what did JOe know??  What McQuery total him, which McQuery says was a watered down version so what happens next?
MM told Joe  (he didn't call police)

PA law then says it should be reported up the chain of command which is exactly what happened.

Joe told Curley and Shultz (the police)

MM told Curley and Shultz

Curley and Shultz told Spanier

PSU informed Second Mile who was responsible for Sandusky

Second Mile informed nobody.  Why?  They were responsible for reporting the incident to child welfare.

There was no conspiracy to cover-up at PSU.  As for Second Mile, who knows.
BTW JOe agrees with you, if he knew n 2001 what you know today, he would have handled it differently.

http://www.pennlive.com/m..._freeh_report_update.html


Sluggo, we obviously disagree on what we read in a very long investigative report. We will wait until the indictments and see what happens in pre trial and the trials if held.

After reading the article you provided, I went back to re read the timeline and some addtional info from the Freeh report.

Despite the changing of the 1998 wording and disputed involvement of JoPA, the Feb 12,2001 meeting also refers to Pres, Senior VP and AD meeting to discuss the 1998 molestation charge, then discussed with JVP, (JoPA).

There were a number of young children raped or molested after that date.

Each time I read the report, I get a little sick. So if you have more reasons to defend Joe's "legacy", so be it.

I will wait for the trials of the other SOBs.

[s1uggo]

So we are clear
Joe is was not a child abuser Sandusky was
Tell me about joes mistakes especially relative to what was known in 2001 not what we now know the AG of Pa days Joe acted properly
I'll wait tp the trials if they occur I don't think Curley will make it that long

[Johnnyherd]

His 78% graduation rate (what's MU's) or is the $4 million he has given back to PSU?

You and Kjh both bring up graduation rates and donations....

Sandusky gave 10 million and turned out more all-american linebackers than any other coach.....

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One of Joe's players in the 80's said that if you were a letterman and you even failed a quiz, Joe knew about it by the end of the day and called you about it......

[banker]

sluggo, through various partnerships Paterno had significant holdings in State College, nearly all tied to the Penn State brand.  He covered this thing up to protect his friend and, more importantly, to protect his financial holdings and reputation.  He was not the saint you would like him to be.  His public persona was not his private persona.

[wvmafia]

which part of Joe makes him a scumbag?  His 78% graduation rate (what's MU's) or is the $4 million he has given back to PSU?  Or did you not like the fact he had second information and reported up his chain of command.  All while the AG of Pa, said Joe acted properly.
Maybe it is when he held kids out of bowl games, although eligible by NCAA, they did not work up to his standards.  sounds like a scumbag to me.

Nope, none of that...just the part where he kept a guy around who was raping 10-15 year old boys.  NO DECENT HUMAN BEING would have any level of knowledge of that and not scream from the mountain top to get it stopped. 

Look, you know and I know that the Freeh report was stipulated to by the administration at Pedd State because they didn't want anyone to come in and REALLY stir the pot.  Not only do I believe EVERY word of the report, but I believe that if ALL the facts were known, not only would the things in the report be proven to be facts, but A TON more would come out.  The reason they want the Freeh report to b the only report is because they know that there is a mountain of stuff that would close the doors of the school. 

Nobody that is reasonable can say that everything that JoePa did was bad.  And if done "line item" style, the good outweighed the bad...but THE bad is as bad as it gets...It's a shame that this happened, but it did and it's indefensible.

[DC01HERD]

which part of Joe makes him a scumbag?  His 78% graduation rate (what's MU's) or is the $4 million he has given back to PSU?  Or did you not like the fact he had second information and reported up his chain of command.  All while the AG of Pa, said Joe acted properly.
Maybe it is when he held kids out of bowl games, although eligible by NCAA, they did not work up to his standards.  sounds like a scumbag to me.

I'm sure you don't want your rectum penetrated by a foreign object and neither does a 10 year old kid.

[s1uggo]

sluggo, through various partnerships Paterno had significant holdings in State College, nearly all tied to the Penn State brand.  He covered this thing up to protect his friend and, more importantly, to protect his financial holdings and reputation.  He was not the saint you would like him to be.  His public persona was not his private persona.

show me where Joe covered things up.  Heck coverups dont envolve local DR's, or outside agency's.  they reporrted their findings to the second mile, at that time JS reported to the second mile not PSU.
so show me where Joe Paterno covered things up.

[Booherd]

Let me get this straight.  There are people on this board who think it is OK and proper to only tell their boss of a witnessed child rape???????? If that boss just tells his boss he's in the clear????  Imagine it was your son, or even you, did JOE PA still act proper???? HELL NO, HIS SILENCE WAS CONSENT!  Look up group communication dynamics, silence =consent.

If this act disgusted him, he would have taken further action, however JOE PA put his interests and PSU interests ahead of the children that were knowingly raped in their locker room.  SAD, thank GOD the statue is DOWN, Thank GOD he was stripped of WINS.  Look at the time line, JOE PA's turn his head protect his school attitude, allowed these monstrosities to continue.  

Paterno = worthless, heartless, weak

[s1uggo]

Nope, none of that...just the part where he kept a guy around who was raping 10-15 year old boys.  NO DECENT HUMAN BEING would have any level of knowledge of that and not scream from the mountain top to get it stopped. 

Look, you know and I know that the Freeh report was stipulated to by the administration at Pedd State because they didn't want anyone to come in and REALLY stir the pot.  Not only do I believe EVERY word of the report, but I believe that if ALL the facts were known, not only would the things in the report be proven to be facts, but A TON more would come out.  The reason they want the Freeh report to b the only report is because they know that there is a mountain of stuff that would close the doors of the school. 

Nobody that is reasonable can say that everything that JoePa did was bad.  And if done "line item" style, the good outweighed the bad...but THE bad is as bad as it gets...It's a shame that this happened, but it did and it's indefensible.

Kept him around?  How did JOe do that?  Sandusky was running the second mile at the time, he was not under Joe's control.  Joe didnt' put the retirement package together nor did he administer it.

it i so easy to judge 2001, knowing what we know in 2012

[s1uggo]

Let me get this straight.  There are people on this board who think it is OK and proper to only tell their boss of a witnessed child rape???????? If that boss just tells his boss he's in the clear????  Imagine it was your son, or even you, did JOE PA still act proper???? HELL NO, HIS SILENCE WAS CONSENT!  Look up group communication dynamics, silence =consent.

If this act disgusted him, he would have taken further action, however JOE PA put his interests and PSU interests ahead of the children that were knowingly raped in their locker room.  SAD, thank GOD the statue is DOWN, Thank GOD he was stripped of WINS.  Look at the time line, JOE PA's turn his head protect his school attitude, allowed these monstrosities to continue.  

Paterno = worthless, heartless, weak

so we are clear, McQueary never told Joe of a child rape, never and btw Sandusky was aquitted of a 'child rape' relative to victom 2 (which was reported to Joe)

again you judege 2001 based on what we know in 2012.  in 2001 the Catholice cheurch scandel sothat is what prottol was in 2001.  it is so easy to judge after the fact.

[luvherd]

I was with a customer yesterday who is a alum and die hard Penn State fan. He said " Joe was 100% complacent in the cover up". I don't see how anyone could refute it.

[HerdBlizz]

What Jopa did was no worse than if he had held down the kid himself.......

[s1uggo]

I was with a customer yesterday who is a alum and die hard Penn State fan. He said " Joe was 100% complacent in the cover up". I don't see how anyone could refute it.

what cover up?  show where there's a cover up.  they reported it to the second mile, and outside foundation, so how could there be a cover by PSU?  Now if you say there was Second Mile cover up, you might be on to something.  Jerry sandusky is the criminal here, not Joe, ant that's my only point.

[s1uggo]

What Jopa did was no worse than if he had held down the kid himself.......

you mean the part were Joe went to his boss and told him the story, then went to head of the Univesity police (which has standing) and told them, and then made sure the actual witness of the crime reported it to both of those. and then followed up with the witness to see if the witness felt like things were being properly handled?  You mean those things are worse than the acutal crime??

[IH8WVU]

Kept him around?  How did JOe do that?  Sandusky was running the second mile at the time, he was not under Joe's control.  Joe didnt' put the retirement package together nor did he administer it.

it i so easy to judge 2001, knowing what we know in 2012

He continued to allow Sandusky access to the facilities and even gave him a ticket to his record breaking game.  That's how he kept him around.  He should have put a bullet in his head.

[s1uggo]

He continued to allow Sandusky access to the facilities and even gave him a ticket to his record breaking game.  That's how he kept him around.  He should have put a bullet in his head.

believe it or not, Joe did not have control over that, and at that point JS was not convicted of anything.  talk about rush to judgement.  as far as the bullett in the head, isn't that what Brian Kelly did at Notre Dame when he sent a 20 something kid up on a non OSHA approved film tower in 100 mph winds to film his practice just so the kid could die??

where's the outrage? 

[IH8WVU]

believe it or not, Joe did not have control over that, and at that point JS was not convicted of anything.  talk about rush to judgement.  as far as the bullett in the head, isn't that what Brian Kelly did at Notre Dame when he sent a 20 something kid up on a non OSHA approved film tower in 100 mph winds to film his practice just so the kid could die??

where's the outrage? 

That "kid" was a consenting adult that could have said no.

[Booherd]

Poor guy  has lost his mind. Your facts are inconsistent. You can be the idiot that goes down with the ship. State and local authorities never notified. Jo WAS TOLD he should have done something other than PUBLICALLY supporting a PEDOPHILE!That's what he did. I smile every day knowing his legacy will reflect that
Jo pa didn't touch kids, but he allowed this practice to continue on his watch. His did not give plush office or retirement but he did not object. Know what Sandusky was, as Jo did, makes him PLAINLY COULPABLE! Duh!

[s1uggo]

Poor guy  has lost his mind. Your facts are inconsistent. You can be the idiot that goes down with the ship. State and local authorities never notified. Jo WAS TOLD he should have done something other than PUBLICALLY supporting a PEDOPHILE!That's what he did. I smile every day knowing his legacy will reflect that
Jo pa didn't touch kids, but he allowed this practice to continue on his watch. His did not give plush office or retirement but he did not object. Know what Sandusky was, as Jo did, makes him PLAINLY COULPABLE! Duh!

  Maybe you can understand this, as it is someone else's explanation.. but it is true...
Schultz was UNDENIABLY the de facto POLICE COMMISSIONER of the University Park, PA.  And the incident was reported to the Police Commissioner who had full-authority over the POLICE DEPARTMENT.  University Park, PA is an unincorporated SELF-GOVERNING COMMUNITY with its own fully-staffed, DULY AUTHORIZED POLICE FORCE!  Not only that, but University Park, PA has NOTHING TO DO WITH STATE COLLEG, PA and State College's Police Force has no AUTHORITY in University Park, PA.  University Park, PA in many ways has BETTER GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES then its adjoining communities and those communities rely on University Park, PA for those services, not the opposite!  The University Park, PA Airport being a CLASSIC EXAMPLE.  The incident was absolutely forwarded to the University Park, PA POLICE DEPARTMENT by Joe Paterno and Tim Curley via the Police Department's Commissioner, Gary Schultz!  Continued assertions to the contrary are inane.
or if you dont believe him, many you'll believe the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/opinion/penn
the problem people with people like you is that you have all the answers.  do you know what Mc Query told Joe Paterno??  do you know what McQuery told Dr Dragov (sp?) ? the DR asked him 3 times if the kid was in trouble and was it sexual, and McQuery said no to both.  so while I have fact, you are certainly welcome to share opinions.  but really come back with some facts that are close to being correct and not what you've heard on Mike and Mike.
You probalbly saw the stock market crash of 08 coming as well, right??

[Johnnyherd]

Back to Freeh, so Freeh oversaw the conviction of 10,000 federal cases based on false forensics?

Here's the problem with that, if that were true 100,000 defense lawyers would already be swarming all over it like flies on a dead donkey....It will probably cost the federal goverment several billion dollar in litigation and settlements.

Who or what is this Prism magazine?  It appears to be a liberal "conspiracy theory" publication that is funded by reader donations? 

[Johnnyherd]

Sluggo what do you think motivated Freeh to tell "lies" and destroy Joe Paterno?

[s1uggo]

Sluggo what do you think motivated Freeh to tell "lies" and destroy Joe Paterno?

I dont thnk Freeh told lies, I think he had a few facts and came to conclusions that helped 'prove ' his case.  there are 1000's of ways to spin things.  Let's remember, Louie interviewed 430 ? some people, none of which were nameed Shultz, Curley, Paterno, Mc Query, Mc Query dad, Dr Dranov, Harmon (head police  officer on the Universtiy Police) or Janitor, the real players in all of this.  Spanier was not interviewed until 4 days before the report came out, so how much weight to you think Louie gave to that?
Louie was hired by the PSU BOT, and IMHO they needed a fall guy for this other than the bot of PSU.  so why not spin it on a dead guy?  Heck they knew the press would run with it,and they did.  here are 2 other toughts along those lines, not mine, but thougths that I am in agreement with.

..", the only justification the Freehsters provided for their worst case conclusions were a few out-of-context emails subject to a variety if interpretations...a couple of sketchy, inconclusive scribbles on a note pad...and the second hand impressions of a now demented janitor. If that's all you can come up with after talking to 430 people, how the hell can anybody with a brain and an ounce of objectivity come to Louie's "reasonable conclusions"? How can you indict the "culture" of an institution the size of PSU? Further, there's not a shred of evidence in the full report that suggests the reason for not reporting Sandusky had anything to do with "avoiding bad publicity". Nothing. Just stunning.
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The Penn State board hired Freeh to justify their actions in firing JoePa, to absolve them of any wrongdoing and to hang as much of the blame around the dead guy who couldn't defend himself as possible.  They got what they paid for.