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Re: Freeh Coverup
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2012, 07:44:59 PM »
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  • Did you ever think that if PSU paid Freeh to "spin things" and Freeh was this corrupt "liar for hire".  Freeh would have just cleared Joe, or muddied

    the water enough for Penn St to survive and mitigate against massive lawsuits and NCAA punishments? 

     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #26 on: July 26, 2012, 08:55:18 PM »
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  • Poor Sluggo, there are none so blind as those "Who will not see"

    Check the dates on the allegations.............

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-26/penn-state-victim-2-comes-forward-jerry-sandusky-mike-mcqueary-shower-paterno?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D184547[/size][/size][/size]

    Penn State Victim 2? Man claiming he was abused by Jerry Sandusky comes forward

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    HARRISBURG, Pa.— For months, the identity of the boy who was sexually assaulted in the locker room showers by Jerry Sandusky was one of the biggest mysteries of the Penn State scandal. Now, for the first time, a man has come forward to claim he was that boy, and is threatening to sue the university.
     
    The man's lawyers said Thursday they have done an extensive investigation and gathered "overwhelming evidence" on details of the abuse by Sandusky, the former assistant football coach convicted of using his position at Penn State and as head of a youth charity to molest boys over a period of 15 years.
     
    Jerry Sandusky was convicted on 45 of 48 counts of child sexual abuse. (AP Photo)

     Jurors convicted Sandusky last month of offenses related to so-called Victim 2 largely on the testimony of Mike McQueary, who was a team graduate assistant at the time and described seeing the attack.
     
    "Our client has to live the rest of his life not only dealing with the effects of Sandusky's childhood sexual abuse, but also with the knowledge that many powerful adults, including those at the highest levels of Penn State, put their own interests and the interests of a child predator above their legal obligations to protect him," the lawyers said in a news release.
     
    They did not name their client, and The Associated Press generally does not identify victims of sex crimes without their consent.
     
    The university said it was taking the case seriously but would not comment on pending litigation.
     
    University President Rodney Erickson and the board of trustees "have publicly emphasized that their goal is to find solutions that rest on the principle of justice for the victims," a school spokesman said.
     
    The statement from the man's attorneys said Victim 2 suffered "extensive sexual abuse over many years both before and after the 2001 incident Michael McQueary witnessed."
     
    McQueary testified in December at a hearing that he had seen Sandusky and a boy, both naked, in a team shower after hearing skin-on-skin slapping sounds.
     
    "I would have described that it was extremely sexual and I thought that some kind of intercourse was going on," McQueary said.
     
    McQueary, who estimated the boy to be around 10 years old, reported the abuse to school officials, including longtime coach Joe Paterno, but none of them told police. In a recent report conducted by former FBI Director Louis Freeh and commissioned by Penn State, the investigators excoriated Paterno and the other administrators for not attempting to identify Victim 2, saying it showed "a striking lack of empathy."
     
    Trustees fired Paterno, who has since died, because he failed to do more about claims against Sandusky, and the scathing independent review said several top school officials looked the other way because they were afraid of bad publicity. The NCAA has vacated 112 Penn State wins.
     
    In a pair of voicemails recorded last year, released with the statement and posted online by the lawyers, a voice that's purportedly Sandusky's expresses his love and says he wants to express his feelings "up front."
     
    The voicemails are dated Sept. 12 and Sept. 19, less than two months before the former Penn State coach was arrested on child sex abuse charges. Sandusky was convicted in June of 45 sex abuse counts and awaits sentencing.
     
    The second voicemail asks whether Victim 2 would like to attend Penn State's next game.
     
    Sandusky left "numerous" voicemails for their client that fall, the attorneys said.
     
    Sandusky has said very little publicly since he gave interviews in the weeks after his arrest and did not testify at his trial.
     
    Before the trial, defense attorney Joe Amendola said he had met with a man he believed he might be Victim 2 and the man told him he had not been abused by Sandusky. Amendola said he was not convinced and did not intend to subpoena him, but also said Sandusky himself was insistent they had the right person.
     
    The statement from Victim 2's lawyers leaves many questions unanswered, including whether he had been in contact with prosecutors before or during the trial, whether he remembers McQueary, and whether he is the same person who met with Amendola.
     
    "Jerry Sandusky's abuse of Victim 2 and other children is a direct result of a conspiracy to conceal Sandusky's conduct and the decisions by top Penn State officials that facilitated and enabled his access to victims," the statement read. "We intend to file a civil lawsuit against Penn State University and others and to hold them accountable for the egregious and reckless conduct that facilitated the horrific abuse our client suffered."
     
    The statement did not say when the lawsuit would be filed or contain details on what redress the plaintiff is seeking. The lawyers said they would not have further comment, and messages left for their spokesman were not immediately returned.
     
    Several messages seeking comment from Amendola and Sandusky's other lawyer, Karl Rominger, were not immediately returned.
     
    Prosecutors had said on several occasions they did not know the identity of the boy, and they offered no reaction to the lawyers' announcement Thursday.
     
    "We can't comment, given both our ongoing criminal prosecutions and our ongoing investigation," said Nils Frederiksen, spokesman for the attorney general's office.
     
    The attorneys who released the statement include several based in Philadelphia and in State College, home to Penn State's main campus — where the shower assault took place. They also represent three other young men Sandusky was convicted of abusing but have not filed any lawsuits.
     
    A second accuser has filed paperwork indicating an additional complaint is in the works, while other lawyers also have indicated they represent young men with potential claims.
     
    This week Penn State's general liability insurer sought to deny or limit coverage for Sandusky-related claims. Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association Insurance argued that Penn State withheld key information needed to assess risk.
     
    In June, after Sandusky was convicted, the university said it hoped to quickly compensate victims and would reach out to their lawyers. Penn State spokesman Dave La Torre declined to comment on anything related to the victims and any settlement discussions.
     



     

    Offline Booherd

    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #27 on: July 26, 2012, 10:27:21 PM »
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  • Amen. He's gone off the deep end. No way he has children, very myopic view and sad. His sins tell his story. Paterno  had enough knowledge and was in position make sure sandusky was not allowed on campus. read McQueary testimony that's all I needed, all the facts from Freeh report just add to the disgust.

    Pedd St. A culture cultivated by Jo Paterno will be his
    Sating legacy! :) :D
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #28 on: July 27, 2012, 09:26:25 AM »
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  • Amen. He's gone off the deep end. No way he has children, very myopic view and sad. His sins tell his story. Paterno  had enough knowledge and was in position make sure sandusky was not allowed on campus. read McQueary testimony that's all I needed, all the facts from Freeh report just add to the disgust.

    Pedd St. A culture cultivated by Jo Paterno will be his
    Sating legacy! :) :D
    for the record, Jerry Sandusky committed these crimes, not Joe Paterno
    Mike McQuery witnessed something and couldnt even recall the correct date (remember he first said March 2002, which got changed  to Feb 2001)  who knows what he told Joe in 2001 , not what he remembers in 2011
    as far as Joe read this and think fo r your selves...
     FC: The Case against Joe Paterno: Weak to Non-Existent Reply

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    THE CASE AGAINST JOE PATERNO: WEAK TO NON-EXISTENT ON THE CURRENT RECORD

    nonetheless, I am aware that a consensus exists that former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno acted improperly in connection with Penn State's response to allegations of child molestation committed by one-time assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. This consensus led to the removal of a statue of Paterno, whose contributions to Penn State as a coach and financial contributor were enormous.

    The consensus emerged from the report of Louis Freeh regarding Penn State's actions related to the sexual abuse committed by Sandusky. But a friend of mine ? a top-notch lawyer and former federal prosecutor ? has carefully reviewed the Freeh Report. He concludes that the Report does not establish wrongdoing by Joe Paterno. Having now looked at the Freeh Report, I agree.

    Here is what my friend wrote:

    I believe the media, the Freeh Report, and many others have misrepresented Joe Paterno's culpability in the Jerry Sandusky matter. The evidence against Mr. Paterno amounts to virtually nothing. After more than 430 interviews and a review of more than 3.5 million documents and other information, the Freeh Report concludes that three emails from other people ? former Penn State President Graham Spanier, Athletic Director Timothy Curley, and Senior Vice President Gary Schultz ? prove that Mr. Paterno was a co-conspirator in a cover-up. I do not read the evidence in the Freeh Report that way, and I do not believe the conclusions about Mr. Paterno are either warranted or fair.

    The claim seems to be that Mr. Paterno knew about a 1998 allegation and did nothing, and that in 2001, when he learned about Mike McQueary's information, he waited a day before he reported the information to the athletic director (Curley) and the vice president in charge of the University Police (Schultz) and then did nothing else.

    First, with respect to the 1998 incident, the Freeh Report says that several authorities promptly investigated and reviewed the matter, including the Department of Public Welfare, the University Police Department, the State College police, and the local district attorney's office. Freeh Report at 42-47. A "counselor" named John Seasock issued a report that found "no indication of child abuse." Freeh Report at 42-46. Mr. Seasock interviewed the alleged victim and determined that "there seems to be no incident which could be termed as sexual abuse, nor did there appear to be any sequential pattern of logic and behavior which is usually consistent with adults who have difficulty with sexual abuse of children." Freeh Report at 44 (quoting Mr. Seasock's 1998 evaluation of the alleged victim). The Freeh Report adds that Mr. Seasock "couldn't find any indication of child abuse." Freeh Report at 45.

    The police investigated and "did not question Sandusky at this time," and the Freeh Report says that "the local District Attorney declined to prosecute Sandusky for his actions." Freeh Report at 45-46. A "senior administrator" explained that "the case against Sandusky was 'severely hampered' by Seasock's report." Freeh Report at 46. The University Police also investigatedthe matter and unlike the local police, they interviewed Sandusky. Sandusky claimed "nothing happened" (Freeh Report at 46) and the University Police concluded that "no sexual assault occurred." Freeh Report at 47.

    The only evidence of Mr. Paterno's involvement is a passing reference in an email from Curley to Spanier and Schultz that says that Curley "touched base with the coach. Keep us posted." Freeh Report at 20, 48. A second email from Curley to Schultz that says "Coach is anxious to know where it stands." Freeh Report at 20, 48. There is no other information about Mr. Paterno's involvement in the incident. In fact, the Freeh Report does not even establish that the references to "Coach" refer to Joe Paterno. The most it can and does say is that "[t]he reference to Coach is believed to be Paterno." Freeh Report at 49. The Freeh Report cites no evidence to support this assertion, but even if "Coach" refers to Coach Paterno, what do these emails prove? The answer is: nothing. At most, these emails suggest that Mr. Paterno was concerned and wanted to know whether Sandusky was guilty of any wrongdoing.

    Of course, if Mr. Paterno did express concern about the matter, then the question becomes: what did anyone tell him about the allegations and the investigation?

    The Freeh Report provides no answer to this question. The Report does not provide any evidence about what Joe Paterno knew about the 1998 allegations against Sandusky. The Report does not provide any evidence about what Mr. Paterno did or said, or what anyone said to Mr. Paterno. Indeed, the Freeh Report suggests that both law enforcement and the University police agreed that nothing improper happened and that the allegations lacked merit. Did anyone tell Joe Paterno about those findings?

    The Freeh Report concludes that the "record" is "not clear as to how the conclusion of the Sandusky investigation was conveyed to Paterno." Freeh Report at 51. The Report includes many statements that assert things like "nothing in the record indicates that Joe Paterno spoke with Sandusky." See, e.g., Freeh Report at 51. The absence of evidence or information proves only that Mr. Freeh did not find evidence. It does not affirmatively prove anything about Mr. Paterno.

    Furthermore, despite the lack of evidence about Mr. Paterno's culpability with respect to the 1998 incident, the Freeh Report accuses Mr. Paterno of "allow[ing] Sandusky to retire in 1999, not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy." Freeh Report at 17. The Freeh Report's expression of outrage may sound compelling now, with the benefit of hindsight and the evidence that now exists about Sandusky's criminal misconduct. But given that (1) law enforcement officials and other people investigated the 1998 incident and found no wrongdoing; (2) Seasock's report exonerated Sandusky; (3) the District Attorney declined to prosecute the case; (4) Sandusky denied the allegations; and (5) the complete lack of evidence about Mr. Paterno's knowledge, involvement, and actions, it is difficult to see how Mr. Paterno can be subject to ridicule because he "allowed" Sandusky to retire "not as a suspected child predator."

    As to the issue about whether Joe Paterno should have done more with the McQueary information, I keep coming back to one critical missing piece of evidence: what did Curley and Schultz tell him? Schultz, in particular, is the important actor here because he was the top university official in charge of the University Police. Freeh Report at 33. If JoePa wanted to cover this up, he would never have reported McQueary's information to Curley and Schultz within a day of receiving it. Is waiting one day on a weekend evidence of a cover-up? Mr. Freeh and others seem to think so. The Freeh Report repeatedly cites Mr. Paterno's comments about not interfering with the weekend as evidence of some kind of evil intent. But, again, this proves nothing. Would the Report conclude differently if Mr.Paterno had spoken with Curley and Schultz on Saturday evening instead of Sunday?

    Furthermore, if Mr. Paterno had reported the McQueary information to me (were I, like Schultz, the official in charge of the University Police), I would have told him to keep his mouth shut going forward and let the authorities handle the matter. Otherwise, Mr. Paterno could have tainted the investigation. And, because he was a potential trial witness (to McQueary's prior consistent statements, see Federal Rule of Evidence 801(d)(1)(B) and Pennsylvania Rule of Evidence613(c)), any further statements or action by Mr. Paterno could have become cross-examination fodder for the defense. Any further action by Mr.Paterno could only have damaged the integrity of the investigation and any prosecution against Sandusky.

    Indeed, Mr. Paterno explained his actions before died by saying that "I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the University procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did." Freeh Report at 77-78. This statement makes perfect sense, and the notion of a football coach supervising a criminal investigation is ridiculous. It is very possible that Curley or Schultz or both told Mr. Paterno to stay out of the matter; in fact, Schultz should have told him as much. But we don't know because Schultz and Curley are under indictment and not talking, Paterno is dead, and the Freeh Report did not find any information about this issue.

    Much of the case against Mr. Paterno seems to rely on (1) the theory that the Athletic Director, Curley, was JoePa's "errand boy"; and (2) an email dated February 27, 2001 from Curley to Schultz and Spanier which says that Curley gave the matter "more thought" after "talking it over with Joe" and was "uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps." Freeh Report at 74-75. But the "errand boy" evidence amounts to a reference by an unidentified "senior Penn State official" (page 75), and what does it prove anyway? That one person viewed Curley as Paterno's "errand boy"?

    There is no evidence that Curley-as-errand-boy covered up because Joe Paterno told him to do so. And the February 27 email at most suggests that Mr. Paterno spoke with Curley. It does not say what Curley and Paterno discussed, and without any explanation from either Curley or Paterno, it is absurd to read into this that Mr. Paterno was the puppet master behind a coverup orchestrated by Curley, Spanier, and Schultz.

    Mr. Paterno was a football coach, not an expert in criminal law or investigations, and this notion of him as some kind of omnipotent and omniscient God who callously turned his back on a serial child molester is unsupported by any evidence.

    This is a rather sorry record upon which to condemn Joe Paterno

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/the-case-against-joe-paterno-weak-to-non-existent-on-the-current-record.php
     
    « Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 09:29:16 AM by s1uggo »
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #29 on: August 13, 2012, 07:59:24 PM »
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  • "MORE TO FOLLOW AS STORY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP"...

    SADLY.............

    Jerry Sandusky, Penn State Booster Sexually Abused Boys On Private Plane: Witness

    Posted: 08/13/2012 11:16 am Updated: 08/13/2012 1:01

    A witness claims that convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky and a Penn State booster sexually assaulted two boys on a private airplane.

    A witness interviewed by federal authorities claims convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky and a Penn State booster sexually assaulted boys on a private plane, according to an exclusive RadarOnline report.

    U.S. Postal Inspectors interviewed the witness after opening a new investigation into whether Sandusky shared child pornography.

    The witness, who "has a strong tie to the booster he is accusing," claims that Sandusky and the fundraiser abused two boys on a private plane in Pennsylvania, the site reported. RadarOnline's unidentified source doesn't know whether the two boys are among Sandusky's previously identified victims.

    It remains unclear why the witness did not come forward during the trial against Sandusky, who was convicted on 45 counts related to the sexual abuse of 10 boys. Federal authorities are reportedly investigating the new claims, which remain uncorroborated.

    Sandusky, a former assistant football coach, awaits sentencing for his crimes. Meanwhile, the NCAA imposed a multi-year bowl ban on the Penn State football team, invalidated 112 of its victories and fined the school $60 million, according to the Associated Press.
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #30 on: August 14, 2012, 07:52:43 PM »
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  • http://news.yahoo.com/experts-penn-state-warning-serious-necessary-165825251--spt.html

    Experts: Penn State warning is serious, necessary
    By By KATHY MATHESON | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago.. .


    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — An accreditation warning issued to Penn State is serious and necessary given the issues raised by a recent child sex-abuse scandal, but the school is unlikely to lose the all-important designation, experts said Tuesday.

    They also expect the university to comply quickly with demands to show that its governance, finances and integrity meet standards set by its accreditation agency, the Middle States Commission on Higher Education.

    "This is an entirely appropriate and anticipated action by Middle States given the strategic importance of voluntary peer review," said American Council on Education president Molly Corbett Broad. "It's really the basis on which public accountability is achieved in American higher education."

    The Philadelphia-based Middle States Commission issued the warning last week based on the school's handling of molestation allegations against Jerry Sandusky, a former assistant football coach convicted in June of sexually abusing 10 boys.

    Concerns include whether Penn State trustees provide sufficient oversight of the administration, the strength of the university's ethical standards and the school's compliance with government policies, such as those requiring campus crime reports, said Middle States spokesman Richard Pokrass.

    The commission also wants the school to address its financial status in light of a $60 million penalty imposed by the NCAA and any lawsuits from Sandusky's victims.

    Penn State must submit a report to the agency by Sept. 30. A small team of accreditors would then visit the school in State College.

    "The university has been very cooperative," Pokrass said Tuesday. "The leadership of the university is aware of what the concerns are and have been taking very positive steps."

    Penn State is now one of about 15 schools in the Mid-Atlantic region with a warning.

    Most institutions work their way off warning status within a year to 18 months, Pokrass said. Those that don't are put on probation.

    Schools lose accreditation after two years of noncompliance, starting with the warning. Students cannot use federal funds — including Pell grants and government loans — to attend unaccredited schools.

    Penn State stressed that it remains accredited and that academic programs are not being questioned.

    "This action has nothing to do with the quality of education our students receive," Blannie Bowen, vice provost for academic affairs, said in a statement.

    Judith Eaton, president of the Commission on Higher Education Accreditation, said Tuesday that Penn State has "a fine reputation" and the resources to rebound from this setback. It's "highly unlikely" the school will end up on probation, let alone lose its accreditation, she said.

    Still, accreditation warnings are important tools because governments typically don't take action against colleges and universities, Broad said. Accreditation agencies provide accountability through standards enforcement and peer evaluation of academic programs, university leadership, financial stability and institutional honor.

    "This is serious both for our own sense of integrity and well-being within higher education," Broad said.

    The school that most recently lost its accreditation from Middle States was Baltimore International College, a culinary school in Maryland.

    Pokrass said it lost its accreditation about nine months ago because of finances, a lack of assessment of student learning and issues regarding student services. It is now owned and operated by Stratford University, an accredited for-profit institution based in Virginia.

    Middle States accredits more than 525 colleges and universities in five states plus the District of Columbia, two U.S. territories and several international locations.
     

    Offline Scottyo614

    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #31 on: August 15, 2012, 09:37:52 AM »
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  • I got a serious question here..doesn't this whole thing scare people? It's like the ultimate witch hunt where people are testifying and such, but no physical evidence except their testimony?

    Regarding the booster, didn't Mark Madden report that Penn State boosters and Second Mile members abuse children back when this first came out?

    People outside of PA are I think focused on the wrong people... From my understanding counselor Seasock, who was from Second Mile, wasn't allowed to be in the position he was in and several state positions didn't do the job accordingly? We focus and blame Penn State, why are we not blaming the real people accountable? Why are we not in an outcry to bring down PA childrens services or the governor who donated and received money from Second Mile, picking his spot to remove one of his biggest political threats?

    My stance is Penn State should have some blame, as well as every department that failed to do their job. Working closely wih Franklin County children's services, Im disgusted at the fact they did not do more in PA. If we are going to blame let's place it all around because several parties are involved, not just the college and a coach who was known nationally. I'm not attacking anyone's views here, I just want logical rational answers as to why we, as a nation, are not in an outcry to bring down more than one coach whose role at the end of the day was probably less than 5% of what went on.
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #32 on: August 15, 2012, 10:15:51 PM »
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  • Actually Marshall's grad rate in the football program is 84% I believe ....

    Joe isn't worse than a rapist but he apparently did his best to live up to the legend which wasn't reality...just what the fan base wanted to believe...joe put on a good facade....


    Truth...he was an egoist that wouldn't quit...he never wanted to step down no matter how many people asked him to....he was interested in himself and success...but couldn't live up to his failures and was willing to bury his failures and mistakes to try to keep his success alive...and his reputation alive....burying his problems allowed them to grow like a cancer....he chose a successful image over the boys that got raped...he was obsessed with success and his image....his self absorbed obsession with winning and doing good things was so great that he couldn't deal with failure...or address his mistakes...admit mistakes or crack down on mistakes made on his watch.....

    Sicko ego maniac obsessed with success and achievement but didn't know how to deal with his failures....
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #33 on: August 17, 2012, 03:17:25 PM »
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  • Actually Marshall's grad rate in the football program is 84% I believe ....

    Joe isn't worse than a rapist but he apparently did his best to live up to the legend which wasn't reality...just what the fan base wanted to believe...joe put on a good facade....


    Truth...he was an egoist that wouldn't quit...he never wanted to step down no matter how many people asked him to....he was interested in himself and success...but couldn't live up to his failures and was willing to bury his failures and mistakes to try to keep his success alive...and his reputation alive....burying his problems allowed them to grow like a cancer....he chose a successful image over the boys that got raped...he was obsessed with success and his image....his self absorbed obsession with winning and doing good things was so great that he couldn't deal with failure...or address his mistakes...admit mistakes or crack down on mistakes made on his watch.....

    Sicko ego maniac obsessed with success and achievement but didn't know how to deal with his failures....

    Regarding a 2002 incident in which then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky in a Penn State shower with a boy, Paterno told Posnanski a similar story to what he told a grand jury.

    "Did you consider calling the police?" Posnanski asked.

    "To be honest with you, I didn't," Paterno responded. "This isn't my field. I didn't know what to do. I had not seen anything. Jerry didn't work for me anymore. I didn't have anything to do with him. I tried to look through the Penn State guidelines to see what I was supposed to do. It said that I was supposed to call Tim [Curley]. So I did

    for the record there was no rape in the shower as you mentioned.  Not this time , not this incident.
    IMHO you have JOe all wrong, unfortunatly you are not alone.
     

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    Re: Freeh Coverup
    « Reply #33 on: August 17, 2012, 03:17:25 PM »