Topic: Boise stays in MWC...

[vandalia]

@McMurphyESPN: Boise State remaining in MWC & will not join Big East in 2013, sources told @espn

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8796807/boise-state-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-sources-say

[dgparent]

That is hilarious

[GoHerd2010]

wonder what this means for the Big East as a whole?

[cincyherd]

Watch us get an invite.  What do we do?

[vandalia]

It's official

http://www.themwc.com/genrel/123112aab.html

[clovenhoof]

Watch us get an invite.  What do we do?

Good question. I have no idea.

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[Buffalo Bop]

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wonder what this means for the Big East as a whole?

http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=67640.msg532702#msg532702

My only addendum is that, owing to the need to have a 32-school consortium that votes together in establishing how the Go5 divvies up their BCS revenues, it makes sense that UTEP and Tulsa would join with Houston and SMU in making up a 16-team MWC (though Idaho and NM State surely will be politicking hard)... potentially meaning there would be two additional slots opened up for the new Eastern conference to-be-named.

[W0lfman]

Navy and SD St we be gone soon too.

[Buffalo Bop]

However, Navy may now be wavering. Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk told the Baltimore Sun on Dec. 13 that Navy "will take a real hard look at what's left standing" before deciding whether to join the Big East.

The BE continues to unravel.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8796807/boise-state-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-sources-say

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The source said if SDSU returns to the Mountain West, the Aztecs would have to come back on the conference's terms.

Interesting. Will CUSA take a similar approach if it happens that ECU, UCF and Memphis attempt to get back in?

(Of course, I'm one who thinks they'll just end up forming a new entity rather than re-join a conference that is so infused with Sun Belt-level schools.)

[Greg H]

Interesting. Will CUSA take a similar approach if it happens that ECU, UCF and Memphis attempt to get back in?

(Of course, I'm one who thinks they'll just end up forming a new entity rather than re-join a conference that is so infused with Sun Belt-level schools.)

Form a new conference from what parts?  Might as well just head back to CUSA and save the paperwork...it's going to be the same damned thing.

[W0lfman]

Interesting. Will CUSA take a similar approach if it happens that ECU, UCF and Memphis attempt to get back in?

(Of course, I'm one who thinks they'll just end up forming a new entity rather than re-join a conference that is so infused with Sun Belt-level schools.)

what sort of clout do those three have to be able to form a new entity?  they are in a bad position with out a doubt.

[CoachMaclid]

There's too many schools up in the air.  UConn, Cincy, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane, ECU are 7 schools that have no other current prospect.  Houston and SMU have been rumored for the MWC, but if they get Boise and BYU, then they are at 12 and Houston, SMU, and San Diego State aren't guaranteed anything either (iln fact, there's many people thinking the MWC schools may tell SDSU to go rot alone).  Additionally, Louisville and Rutgers are still scheduled in to play in the BE next year.  That's 12 schools that COULD play a BE schedule next year, and 10 (9 without SDSU) that still need an answer.  That's more than enough to start a conference.

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what sort of clout do those three have to be able to form a new entity?  they are in a bad position with out a doubt.

Not sure about clout, but they have four other schools... Cincy, UConn, USF and Temple... who are all in a similar position... that's 7, and you only actually need 8 to make a conference, of course.

EDIT: Oops... yeah, Tulane would make 8.

Here's what I've said will happen in the east (link above)...

Back on this side of the country, UConn, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis would love to keep their basketball with the Catholics, and one would think that the Catholics would perceive value in keeping those 4 regardless of UConn and Cincy's flirtaciousness with the ACC. Here's why I think that... what I'm reading in these quotes from Catholic school officials tells me that this move by the Catholics at this point in time is largely a matter of not wanting to be in a political posture where they are at the mercy of the current and newbie BE football schools. Having these four big-time basketball schools is not going to put them into any political jeopardy, and moreover, they can throw UConn and Cincy (the two voting schools) a bone in exchange for supporting whatever contingencies the Catholics want--most importantly perhaps, the Big East name and trademark.

So, put me down for a new Big East basketball conference that includes the Hardwood Seven, the Football Refugee Four, plus some number of other basketball-only schools.

The Football Refugee Four (UConn, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis), then, remain with the Big East Wannabees (Tulane, UCF, USF, ECU and Navy) in a football-only league that adds Army (to pair with football-only Navy) and six others to the mix to get to 16... not 16 for the sake of 16 but rather to get to 10 for all other sports so that the conference has some viability beyond football.

Naturally, the established CUSA schools fit that... UTEP, Rice, Tulsa, Southern Miss, UAB, and yes, Marshall.

For football...

North Division: UConn, Army, Navy, Temple, Cincinnati, Marshall, Memphis, ECU
South Division: UAB, USF, UCF, Southern Miss, Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, UTEP

So, for basketball and other sports...

West Division: UTEP, Rice, Tulsa, Tulane, Southern Miss
East Division: UAB, USF, UCF, ECU, Marshall

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Form a new conference from what parts?  Might as well just head back to CUSA and save the paperwork...it's going to be the same damned thing.

Not really the same damned thing... all of these upstarts and Sun Belt schools don't exactly add anything in terms of TV contracts and such.

But there is an argument that says some or all could be persuaded to come back if the exit fees were to be waived... effectively, a seven-figure bribe to not form their own league. I don't think that happens though, because these are ordinarily considered long-term decisions and the potential for better revenues over time would ultimately trump any short-term reward.

[wasbarryb]

There's too many schools up in the air.  UConn, Cincy, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane, ECU are 7 schools that have no other current prospect.  Houston and SMU have been rumored for the MWC, but if they get Boise and BYU, then they are at 12 and Houston, SMU, and San Diego State aren't guaranteed anything either (iln fact, there's many people thinking the MWC schools may tell SDSU to go rot alone).  Additionally, Louisville and Rutgers are still scheduled in to play in the BE next year.  That's 12 schools that COULD play a BE schedule next year, and 10 (9 without SDSU) that still need an answer.  That's more than enough to start a conference.

Right now who would want to join the Big leftovers? With two of the nine or ten guaranteed to leave in a year and two others desperate to leave ASAP the five leftovers are hardly the attractive basis for a significant football based conference. And face it; football is the driving force in conference formation right now. Memphis isn’t an attractive football team and Tulane isn’t an attractive team at all.

USF, UCF, and ECU need to realize they are twisting slowly, ever so slowly, in the cold cold wind. They gambled on moving up to a better neighborhood and ended up in a slum. USF, UCF, and ECU need to cut their losses and escape the slum as fast they can.

[herd2win]

What makes the most sense is to go back to where conferences were actually regionally based.  ESPN has led to the downfall of college sports.  All of this was started by ESPN and the drive to be television driven instead of rivalry and regionally driven.

This will lead to the downfall of college sports.  You can see what it has led to already with WVU chasing the dollar instead of traditional rivalries, Maryland and now the Big East falling apart.

I wish MU would form the following conference but I know it will not happen:

Marshall
Ohio
ECU
Cincy
Southern Miss
ODU
UNC Charlotte
Memphis
UCF
UAB
Temple
FIU

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Right now who would want to join the Big leftovers? With two of the nine or ten guaranteed to leave in a year and two others desperate to leave ASAP the five leftovers are hardly the attractive basis for a significant football based conference. And face it; football is the driving force in conference formation right now. Memphis isn’t an attractive football team and Tulane isn’t an attractive team at all.

USF, UCF, and ECU need to realize they are twisting slowly, ever so slowly, in the cold cold wind. They gambled on moving up to a better neighborhood and ended up in a slum. USF, UCF, and ECU need to cut their losses and escape the slum as fast they can.

Someone really smart once said that TV markets are significant considerations in determining how realignment shakes out.

(See comment from wasbarryb: http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=67911.msg534452#msg534452 )

#13: Tampa
#19: Orlando
#48: Memphis
#53: New Orleans
#103: Greeneville, NC

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

[shilolg]

CBS reports that San Diego St. has a clause that is BSU does not go, they are let out without penalty. 

[Huffnagel]

This is AWESOME NEWS!!!! This is potentially Marshall's only shot at NOT being in a watered down CUSA/SUNBELT conference!

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CBS reports that San Diego St. has a clause that is BSU does not go, they are let out without penalty. 

(I think that was originally reported about a month ago.)

[goherd24]

Lets pray we get an invite to Big east as they run out of options. Let CUSA die.