Topic: H-D: Chuck Landon: No pot of gold at end of Big East rainbow

[ZackUSAF82]

Tell me again how the defection of six Conference USA members to the Big East was a prestigious move.

Tell me again how the decision by UCF, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane and East Carolina to leave C-USA and join the Big East was a major upgrade.

Tell me again how the departures were about seeking greener pastures, as in "long green."

All that posturing was exposed as empty rhetoric when ESPN.com revealed the Big East's likely new television contract on Monday.

NBC Sports Network has given the Big East a verbal offer of between $20 million and $23 million per year for six years, according to ESPN.com. The network is expected to make an official offer by next week. Then, ESPN, which holds the Big East's current television rights, will have a chance to match the offer.

Link: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x2070314834/Chuck-Landon-No-pot-of-gold-at-end-of-Big-East-rainbow

[The Greenhouse Effect]

If CLs math is correct it's rather embarassing for the schools defecting and likewise the same term applies to the arrogance of the BEC presidents turning down the larger amount. Major mistakes made on many sides.

Still I regret that we don't have Tulane UCF and Houston to play anymore, they were becoming fun rivals to play. I do wish everyone would have stayed put, in the end everyone lost, even Marshall, in its SOS and developing rivalries.

[MarshallSteve]

If CLs math is correct it's rather embarassing for the schools defecting and likewise the same term applies to the arrogance of the BEC presidents turning down the larger amount. Major mistakes made on many sides.

Still I regret that we don't have Tulane UCF and Houston to play anymore, they were becoming fun rivals to play. I do wish everyone would have stayed put, in the end everyone lost, even Marshall, in its SOS and developing rivalries.

Tulane a rival?....Seriously? Count me in as one that's glad to see Tulane and their 500 fans gone. La Tech is a sizable upgrade over Tulane. Tulane brought nothing to CUSA. Good riddance.

[bbcard1]

You know I tend more toward being sweet Mary sunshine than most, but it is sad an telling that we have been reduced to cheering for bad things to happen to our rivals and former rivals instead of celebrating good things happening to us.

[Buffalo Bop]

That means UCF, Memphis, East Carolina, SMU, Houston and Tulane each will reap a scant $830,000 more annually in the Big East than it earned last year in C-USA.

That is little more than chump change in the television industry.

Even more ludicrous is the fact the six defectors each have to ante up $7 million in exit fees to C-USA along with a reported $1.5 million in entrance fees to join the Big East.

It's going to take a while to make up that $8.5 million at the rate of only $830,000 per year.

It will be interesting to see what Tulsa decides to do now that the TV money is on the table.

That's 8.5 million reasons for us to stay where we are. . .Just win baby!

And build that IPF!!!


 

[SuperAnjario]

A lot of presidents trusted a guy (Aresco) that has no idea what he's doing.  If the buyout numbers remain the same, there's absolutely no reason to join this new league. 

[Oldtimer]

Before we get too critical of what those schools did, do we know what our TV deal is going to be?

[iherdya]

Before we get too critical of what those schools did, do we know what our TV deal is going to be?

Even it is only $1m/year the difference isn't really that great.

[whf]

I find it hard to be bashing these schools who I personally wish were still in the same conference as us.  Start thinking, if the BE is only getting this offer, what will the new C-USA be offered; it could be a big embarrassment.  Don't make fun of folks too soon, ours could be much worse.  This is just the first sign that TV is going all in for the big leagues, and going to minimally invest in lessor competitive leagues. 
And yes, I liked Tulane in our league.  New Orleans is a great place to visit.  And if my map is correct, a lot closer than San Antonio.

[tnherdfan]

I'll miss ECU. Tulane and Houston not so much. I like having MTSU in the conference a lot. It could become a much better regional rivalry in all sports. FIU and Fla Atlantic, location,location,location!

[GreenBison60]

I'll miss ECU and UCF. And also Memphis for BB. But i really like some of the new members. I really like UNCC, MTSU, ODU (although having a down year for them) and Louisiana Tech for BB. Would love to see WKU come in also. And i really think in 5years or so the football side can be pretty good. ODU and Charlotte will just keep growing in ftb. So, i think basketball actually gains strength except for losing Memphis. And ftb loses strength now but could be just as good or better down the road IMO.

[Collis P]

You know I tend more toward being sweet Mary sunshine than most, but it is sad an telling that we have been reduced to cheering for bad things to happen to our rivals and former rivals instead of celebrating good things happening to us.

I believe if we had been offered to go to the BE - we would be in the same boat......as our AD would have jumped to join.... Sometimes it is a blessing to not be invited to dinner........................................

[lexkyherdfan]

Who is to say our next package won't be as good as what we have now?  We are bringing in teams in good markets...not bad basketball programs but need some help on football.  After UConn and UC are gone...the NBE will look just like us.  I like the regional rivalries much better.  Outside of visiting New Orleans...Tulane brings nothing..well maybe baseball. Football is terrible and their basketball arena is the size of HS gyms here in KY.  I would love to visit New Orleans but San Antonio will be nice.  I am flying to either location so that is a wash. 

Picking up two South Florida teams is nice as we will have at least one trip there every year after the schedule is fixed in 2014.  I only wish we would get rid of UTEP and bring in WKU for rivalry purposes.

I will miss playing ECU and UCF as they are good rivalries and I enjoyed the trips to Memphis but their football program is terrible so losing them and adding UNCC is a wash.

We can't get hung up on us not being in the NBE.  We just need to WIN.  We did it in the MAC and got recognition...Northern Illinois did it this year and got to a BCS game.  We can control that and Doc and company are working on bringing in the right talent.  There is a huge reason no team in CUSA ever made it to a BCS game.  The good teams always beat up on each other.  They could never separate themselves.  I can see the Mountain West doing that to each other now especially if Tulsa ends up there.  The new Big East is basically CUSA with UC there.  Teams will beat up each other there so we just need to do what we can control and win our way into a BCS game.

I am past the disappointment and just want to win and everything else will take care of itself.  Our fans are the type of fans that opens their wallet with wins...if we start winning we will spend more money and can become what we were in the MAC.  If we win and our fans don't open their wallets....then it falls on them for not trying to help advance the program.

[The Greenhouse Effect]

I wouldn't identify Tulane as NOT being a rival, they did whip us pretty good last week....but mostly I miss them for the trip to new Orleans. Always an enjoyable walk post game down bourbon street!

I'd love to see all those schools come back to CUSA and make us a huge mid major with 2 possible BCS slots post season vs the MWC and CUSA.  Increase TV revenues and likewise regional footprint rivalries.

[_sturt_]

Chuck totally misses the point where Marshall is concerned.

Chuck, my friend, it's not about increase.

It's about holding our ground.

Even assuming he has his numbers correct, we're about to catapult back to Sun Belt level TV revenue.

Wake up, man.

[iherdya]

Teams going from CUSA to Big East over the next five years:

$8m in buyout/entrance fees
$2m/year in television rights

So, +$2m.

Teams staying in CUSA:
$0 buyout/entrance fees
$1.17m./year over the next 4 years
$500k (sub belt type fees) for 1 year

So, +$5.18m. That's not including any money split on the teams' leaving buyout fees. Years 5+ is where the teams leaving MIGHT see a million + more than us, but who knows what college football will look like after this season, let alone 5 years from now.

[_sturt_]

Teams going from CUSA to Big East over the next five years:

$8m in buyout/entrance fees
$2m/year in television rights

So, +$2m.

Teams staying in CUSA:
$0 buyout/entrance fees
$1.17m./year over the next 4 years
$500k (sub belt type fees) for 1 year

So, +$5.18m. That's not including any money split on the teams' leaving buyout fees. Years 5+ is where the teams leaving MIGHT see a million + more than us, but who knows what college football will look like after this season, let alone 5 years from now.

I see that BCS revenue is not part of the math.

Again, that is the big deal here.

As currently constituted, MWC and nBE have the set of schools that are historically most likely to take home the millions associated with BCS revenues.

We're going to be fighting with the MAC, at best, for 3rd place... and once again, there's a pretty good argument that the MAC will have a leg-up on the new Sun Belt in that, so it might behoove us to think about a 2nd reunification there.

[The E-Man]

Tulane a rival?....Seriously? Count me in as one that's glad to see Tulane and their 500 fans gone. La Tech is a sizable upgrade over Tulane. Tulane brought nothing to CUSA. Good riddance.

Steve, Tulane brought let's see? Bourbon street, Nawlin's, need I say more?  LOL  ;D

[iherdya]

I see that BCS revenue is not part of the math.

Again, those are the big deal here.

As currently constituted, MWC and nBE have the set of schools that are historically most likely to take home the millions associated with BCS revenues.

We're going to be fighting with the MAC, at best, for 3rd place... and once again, there's a pretty good argument that the MAC will have a leg-up on the new Sun Belt in that, so it might behoove us to think about a 2nd reunification there.

To include any BCS revenues into the equation would be a random guess. IF the Big East has the top ranked team they'd get a little more, otherwise they wouldn't. IF CUSA had the top ranked team in the BCS we'd get more. IF IF IF.

[_sturt_]

To include any BCS revenues into the equation would be a random guess. IF the Big East has the top ranked team they'd get a little more, otherwise they wouldn't. IF CUSA had the top ranked team in the BCS we'd get more. IF IF IF.

Random?

So, in your world, MTSU has as much chance as, say, Boise?

I would offer a different option.

I think there's an educated guess based on history.

[iherdya]

Random?

So, in your world, MTSU has as much chance as, say, Boise?

I would offer a different option.

I think there's an educated guess based on history.

Boise getting in the BCS would in no way increase the BE revenues.

[The Greenhouse Effect]

Stuart hate to break this to you but we have had 1 winning season in 12 years (i thnk) ...we aren't in a position to move up or to place ourself in the same category as Boise State. We are an also ran. We got thumped by UCF at home and made to look like a 1aa school.

We need to win CUSA.

[_sturt_]

Boise getting in the BCS would in no way increase the BE revenues.

*laughing*

Stop avoiding the point, please.

Okay, not Boise... how about UCF?... how about Cincy?... how about ECU?

Regardless, the end is the same... we are in a decidedly disadvantageous position financially compared to where we would be if we were with our current peers in a decidedly stronger conference.

[svherd]

Fellas the only time we had any TV presence was when we had the THN/SportsSouth deal going with DShoe - Every MU footbal game was broadcast live or on delay throughout this area and the southeast. We had the mid week and  sometimes Saturday games while we were in the MAC. CUSA has brought NOTHING to us exposure wise and unfortunately when we are on tv lately, we usually get %^&* kicked in front of the TV audience.

We are in no position to leverage anything. The only way any of this will change is to WIN football games, pure and simple. Winning drives the train. You win and all things fall into place.

If Sturt is concerned we are falling back, he only has to look at the Schewey and Old Main as the reasons why.

[catfanatic1979]

CUSA replaced those media markets with ones that are on par with the defectors. They also expanded the size of the league by adding more quality TV markets. When we rework our deal in a few years, we can easily match or exceed BE's figures. Plus, we might have conference mates who respect us and show up at the Joan in the bleachers.