Topic: Turnover

[Greg H]

Holliday is an improvement over the previous coach, I'm not arguing that point. Even if Vingle writes that w previous coach laughs best in the end, he wasn't ready to be a HC at the time of his appointment.

I'm arguing believing in the Marshall mystique we once had. The ability to score twice in 70 seconds comes to mind.

Coaching is not about "believing."

[Penn2moss]

LOL, we made adjustments? My only problem with a WVU based staff is believing. If a persons entire professional career is based upon saying an in state rival isn't worthy to be in the same state it's hard to change those beliefs deep inside. You have to believe. Believing is critical to success in difficult circumstances. Remember when we used to WIN every close game rather than saying we made adjustments just too late but lost?

Now back to those adjustments. Tell me just when did the staff  decied to make those to LOSE the game?  :P

Of course we made adjustments.  UAB was playing against the nation's top passer.  As a result, they played 3 down lineman and dropped 8 men into coverage.  Any coaching staff in the country is going to run the ball against that defense, which is what we did.  The issue with this plan was the fact that running the ball consistently as opposed to throwing around like usual resulted in much less points than usual.  The defense still gave up their ungodly amount of points while we scored much less than usual.  In the second half, we obviously switch back to a pass first offensive style we ran all year.  Cato scorched them, we came back, but we ran out of time.

[The Greenhouse Effect]

Coaching is not about believing? Honestly, enlighten me as to why you think so. Go back to the beginning of the MS days and watch his press conferences. We want to compete at the BCS level, contrast that to year 3 of his press conferences.

Did his demeanor change? Did he look like he believed in himself, his team or his coaches?

Coachiing is 100% about believing in your system yourself and your team. The team will pick up on it too.

Apologies, enough chatter from me, I am saying its year 4, time to put up or shut up. No reason to further my stance. I do wish Holliday and staff well, but I don't believe the xs and os portion of the equation needed as a coach is a part of their foundation. It's recruit the best athlete and hope he wins it. It worked very well at WVU for 20 years when all the other programs they played sans Pitt and penn state were not funded like they are today. Nehlen won with home field advantage and better players, when he went post season on a neutral field how did things go? How many bowl wins did Nehlen have?

[MarshallGrad]

Coachiing is 100% about believing in your system yourself and your team. The team will pick up on it too.

I think Greg might have been implying that believing is meaningless in and of itself. I would say having a system is necessary before you can believe in it. Let's presume that your system is a sound one that is able to produce wins, you still must have the necessary coaching skills to execute that system. There are a whole lot of practical matters that must exist before any believing part matters.

I am a very average basketball player. All the believing in the word will not improve my abilities. Hiring me to play basketball would be a bad idea, as even if I put 100% into my belief of my playing prowess, it will have 0% impact on my basketball outcomes. 100% is a lot of percent and doesn't leave any other percents for some pretty important things. Like having a winnable system to start with. then also having the skills necessary to execute that system with success, and having the confidence in your skills and the system such that others are also confident in both your system and your skills. Snyder didn't fail as a head coach because he didn't believe. He failed because he did not have the necessary competencies for the job. If he did stop believing it is likely because he realized the futile attempt to achieve success as a head coach. Lack of belief was not the driver for his failures. It may have been a product of his failures.