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Re: HZ: Herd Fans Should Embrace `New' C-USA
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2013, 08:10:12 PM »
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  • I'll argue this point.  Hamrick and the entire AD are working hard to get us to where we need to be.  Just because they don't fire a coach after every loss, does not mean they don't see the big picture.  These guys recognize just what a hole we were in and what it takes to get us out of it.

    Fair enough, that was my fault for just being upset with the way things have been recently, just tired of losing buddy.  I should have deflected more of my judgement on these problems on the past administration, sorry for that guys..
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    « Reply #101 on: July 03, 2013, 08:53:40 PM »
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    Offline carolinaherdfan

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    « Reply #102 on: July 03, 2013, 09:37:38 PM »
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  • Can't speak for everyone, but I am oh so excited over our future .
    I see new championships just beyond the horizon and they are ours for the taking.
     

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    Re: HZ: Herd Fans Should Embrace `New' C-USA
    « Reply #103 on: July 03, 2013, 09:57:39 PM »
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  • Ummm... but.... I HAVEN'T BEEN TALKING ABOUT A MOVE TO AAC IN THREE MONTHS... so... what the heck are you talking about? No $$$ involved in what I'm advocating. Yikes. Sounds like I still have work to do even now.

    But that is like Kennedy saying we need to put a man on the moon, but money has nothing to do with that...Money has everything to do with it.  If we had money, we would have been ahead, rather than behind the curve in facilities.  If we had money, we would not have had a "retired consultant" in Kayo Marcum working 20 hours a week for 5 years.  If the area had money, Htgn would have a hotel worthy of hosting visiting teams.  If we had money, we could afford the level of coaches many think we should have on campus.  

    If makes no sense to say we (fans on this board) are weak and pitiful and pathetic for not wanting more for our school, that we are stupid for settling for our place and for not striving for a "better" conference and not recognize just how much money makes that difference.  Tulane was not chosen for their winning ways, they were chosen for a recent $100M (? - something like that) commitment to facility upgrades and for the size of their endowment.  Same with Houston, SMU and UCF.  We fell behind in LARGE part because we have so little support from such a small fan base and the economic surroundings of our campus.  This is the simple reality of our situation.  If we had money, we would now be in the AAC or even better because if we had money, we might have already been in the Big East.

    « Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 09:59:42 PM by IM4DHERD »
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    « Reply #104 on: July 03, 2013, 10:14:29 PM »
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  • Im4theherd, I pretty much agree with everything you say. Including the economic push we need from herdfans everywhere, but I will say once: the Fans threw out Bob Pruett on these boards with the bath water and spent years telling we University supporters and alumns how we were too stupid to understand the new " proper" way of doing things.

    This we will never forget.
     

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    « Reply #105 on: July 03, 2013, 10:56:14 PM »
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  • But that is like Kennedy saying we need to put a man on the moon, but money has nothing to do with that...Money has everything to do with it.



    Back to the context... once we cut through the analogy with NASA, pray tell what substance do you actually have for us?!? You suddenly sound like someone else I know who didn't know anything about the actual proposal, but was certain it couldn't be good. Explain please how a CUSA-MAC alliance as I've outlined it would cost us $$$.
     

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    « Reply #106 on: July 03, 2013, 11:33:23 PM »
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  • Perhaps out of context for that scenario, but not for the many, many comments made about how we do not care, have no pride, are sadly and pathetically satisfied with the current situation.  Money would solve a lot of that.  We are not on laser focus on the one concept through 6 pages of thread here.

    Many do not buy into the MAC - CUSA idea simply because it is not going to happen, particularly since it only benefits certain members of both conferences and relegates others to another, almost 1-AA level.  I may not have the premise exactly right here, but the fact remains, it is not going to happen.  The only way there is a group of 5 playoff is if the "BCS" conferences leave the NCAA.
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    « Reply #107 on: July 04, 2013, 12:20:32 AM »
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  • Perhaps out of context for that scenario, but not for the many, many comments made about how we do not care, have no pride, are sadly and pathetically satisfied with the current situation.  Money would solve a lot of that.  We are not on laser focus on the one concept through 6 pages of thread here.

    Many do not buy into the MAC - CUSA idea simply because it is not going to happen, particularly since it only benefits certain members of both conferences and relegates others to another, almost 1-AA level.  I may not have the premise exactly right here, but the fact remains, it is not going to happen.  The only way there is a group of 5 playoff is if the "BCS" conferences leave the NCAA.

    So you acknowledge the NASA analogy doesn't apply. And additionally you more or less acknowledge that you haven't actually given the idea much thought since you've determined it won't happen.

    So next time perhaps I shouldn't assume you're actually read-up on the idea and have given it a balanced internal debate.... is that a fair statement?
     

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    « Reply #108 on: July 04, 2013, 12:40:04 AM »
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  • I believe the NASA anaology put us in a position to have this discussion and for us to be in a position for you to call out people for accepting reality.

    To the second point - No.  I've read up on the idea and I believe that it will never happen, so IMO all of this discussion is an exercise in futility.

    Please don't read my going to bed as accepting any further attempts to twist my words.   ;D
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    Offline MarshallGrad

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    « Reply #109 on: July 04, 2013, 10:10:09 AM »
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  • The two most insightful and value laden comments in the whole five pages:

    ....IMO all of this discussion is an exercise in futility.


    SA, in conclusion...... all we're doing here is talking about sports. It's not going to matter to the actual important things of life...


    It's the internet, where "good ideas" transform to exercises in futility and bring light to how little they matter to what is really important in life.


    Go Herd! Most everyone will be happy if we just win.
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    « Reply #110 on: July 04, 2013, 10:19:58 AM »
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  • The two most insightful and value laden comments in the whole five pages:



    It's the internet, where "good ideas" transform to exercises in futility and bring light to how little they matter to what is really important in life.


    Go Herd! Most everyone will be happy if we just win.

    Great. A fatalist AND a MAC mindset.

    Wonderful. Just wonderful.

    God knows that bodes well for our future. Sarcasm off.

    A person can argue whether any given idea is "good"... what cannot be debated is that even our own commissioner aclnowledges it's not going to work out well for our Sun Belt-dominated group of schools if we do not generate some significant change. What he is advocating is much more complicated politically compared to anything else that's been put on the table. Your argument that all is futile is convenient maybe as a salve to your conscience but you're  wrong. Clearly he is seeking change and is in a position to push ideas forward... and to the point, again, is on record asnmaking the effort to do just that.

    If you're just not that interested to join him... and me... inthat pursuit, then maybe the bigger curiosity is why you bother to participate in this discussion(?)... seems a waste of your time... one might even note the irony of that very....*ahem*... futility.
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    Offline Herd 90

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    « Reply #111 on: July 04, 2013, 11:46:18 AM »
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  • This thread is bizarre.
     

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    « Reply #112 on: July 04, 2013, 12:38:41 PM »
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  • This thread is bizarre.

    Might be considered The War & Peace Thread to end all threads..........
     

    Offline _sturt_

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    « Reply #113 on: July 04, 2013, 12:50:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: IM4DHERD

    ... (a) particularly since it only benefits certain members of both conferences and relegates others to another, almost 1-AA level.  (b) I may not have the premise exactly right here...

    (a) How's this for "bizarre"... on the one hand saying "just win and everything will take care of itself" in combination with "We should really be able to do well against these new schools"... but then on the other saying "we can't have this alliance thing because we might end up playing these "almost I-AA level schools!!!"

    Cant have it both ways.

    (b) True. And we all know it's easy to take shots when the point is to simply knock down with no intention to construct. No need to understand a premise when firing off scattershot in the general direction is sufficient to achieve one's purpose.
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    « Reply #114 on: July 04, 2013, 12:59:44 PM »
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    « Reply #115 on: July 04, 2013, 01:18:37 PM »
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  • Your argument that all is futile is

    You keep saying I said or implied things I either didn't say or did not imply. I did not say all things were futile. I said, as a repeat, that the decisions and plans are in the hands of those that don't give two hoots about what is written on this forum. The potential to improve or get better or however one wants to qualify it is there. It is not futile for the powers that be to politic and negotiate Marshall to something "better". What is futile is any relevance to that process and this thread. There is quite a difference.

    I would never say this is a waste of anyone's time. This is theater. It's not really about changing anything; it is entertainment.....and it's free, to boot.

    Here's what "matters" to me. I love my alma mater. I love the Herd. I want them to win no matter where we end up. I want the powers that be to get us to the best we can get to. I don't mistake what impact I can have on where we are by what I say on this forum or anywhere else.

    As you said, in the scheme of things, this is not very important.
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    « Reply #116 on: July 04, 2013, 01:52:07 PM »
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  • Before we start riding through this "new" conference, we need to dismount and look at where we are.

    We have not been competetive at all in this conf. in football or basketball.
    We have done a lot of talkin' and held ourselves up on a pedestal for what we did years ago. That means nothing now.
    Winning brings respect. We can talk the talk but until we walk the walk we are nothing in the eyes of these teams that have just entered and those that have left.

    Bottom line. There is no tomorrow, the time is now or we will forever have to shut our mouth. JMO
     

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    « Reply #117 on: July 04, 2013, 02:30:40 PM »
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  • slight exaggeration but I mostly agree
     

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    « Reply #118 on: July 04, 2013, 03:39:12 PM »
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  • You keep saying I said or implied things I either didn't say or did not imply. I did not say all things were futile. I said, as a repeat, that the decisions and plans are in the hands of those that don't give two hoots about what is written on this forum. The potential to improve or get better or however one wants to qualify it is there. It is not futile for the powers that be to politic and negotiate Marshall to something "better". What is futile is any relevance to that process and this thread. There is quite a difference.

    I would never say this is a waste of anyone's time. This is theater. It's not really about changing anything; it is entertainment.....and it's free, to boot.

    Here's what "matters" to me. I love my alma mater. I love the Herd. I want them to win no matter where we end up. I want the powers that be to get us to the best we can get to. I don't mistake what impact I can have on where we are by what I say on this forum or anywhere else.

    As you said, in the scheme of things, this is not very important.

    You attempt to zoom in to this singular thread and/or this singular forum... and you're right to say that the decision-makers are highly, highly unlikely to access either, and to do the V8 thing, and say, "What a great idea! Let's jump on it!"

    But then, in zooming-in, you are guilty in the assumption that that's what I'm after by pursuing the topic.

    I'll give it another try... ever been part of a team at your place of employment that is charged with improving a process?... one of the first things you do is... what... brainstorm?... you hash out the problem at hand... brainstorm possible solutions with as little judgment as possible... then, you determine the criteria by which you'll judge the possible solutions... and after it's all on the table, you debate the options based on the criteria you set, and eventually come to some consensus recommendation for the higher-ups to consider.

    This isn't that, but it's about as close to it as one can get.

    At some point, you can be sure, I'll be carrying this torch to Banowsky and his staff... that is, unless his playoff idea somehow emerges in the meantime as politically viable, and we see that development reported. But preceding that, it seems prudent to test drive the whole thing, relying on those who actually ascend to an understanding of the concept to help identify the objections and troubleshoot it all... or, even better, to come up with other options that are just-as, if not better than the alliance proposal.

    Clearly, the vast majority participating in this thread are not people who "ascend to an understanding of the concept," or even are intellectually honest enough to even admit to the problem. Like you, Grad, they oddly enough participate in a discussion that they claim is an exercise in futility from the git-go.

    But then, there has been the occasional person here and on other forums who has been the exception. And it makes it worth wading through all this other BS to gain their thoughts and insights. And moreover, in the process of wading through... you never know how many lurkers never bother to participate in the actual discussion, but who become persuaded that this is a reasonable pursuit.
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    Offline carolinaherdfan

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    « Reply #119 on: July 05, 2013, 01:15:30 AM »
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  • 8-9 years ago with our talent "we fans" would be talking about the VTech game...where we end up in the top 25, how we will win the conference championship, and would be speculating on who we might play in the Liberty bowl; not withstanding an outside shot at a major bowl.

    The talent is here. The recruiting is in place. I have always supported Doc, during his entire career. It's time to: Get 'er done in 2013....

    If all said in this thread was MU-MAC...many of we fans would have given up years ago.
     

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    « Reply #120 on: July 05, 2013, 09:39:57 AM »
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  • If all said in this thread was MU-MAC...many of we fans would have given up years ago.

    For what it matters... I don't know what this means.
     

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    « Reply #121 on: July 05, 2013, 10:19:50 AM »
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    « Reply #122 on: July 05, 2013, 10:21:28 AM »
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    For what it matters... I don't know what this means.

    Let me help you understand sturt

    If this conversation went on when we were in the MAC, there would be very few fans today.

    Now, with that explained, anytime you have something go over your head please feel free to ask any member here. We are all fans of MU and we are here to help you.  ;D
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    « Reply #123 on: July 05, 2013, 10:32:25 AM »
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  • Let me help you understand sturt

    If this conversation went on when we were in the MAC, there would be very few fans today.

    Now, with that explained, anytime you have something go over your head please feel free to ask any member here. We are all fans of MU and we are here to help you.  ;D

    Sorry, Valley. Still not clear. What is it about what's "went on" in this conversation that, if it occurred pre-2005 would predict that there would be "very few fans today"...? Moreover, the whole premise that it would have had any reason to occur pre-2005 is incoherent. This conversation is occurring because of the circumstances of 2013. Yes... help me out, brother. Make it make sense.
     

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    « Reply #124 on: July 05, 2013, 10:38:39 AM »
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  • It's really easy...just keep your mind on the conversation and pay attention . It will sink in eventually 8)
     

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