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Offline Ovaltine Jenkins

NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
« on: June 10, 2014, 09:53:25 AM »
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  • Draw Your Own Conclusions.

     

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    Offline herdman

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 10:30:55 AM »
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  • Political correctness gone wild. 

    If they change the name, I may not watch another NFL game.  I can't stand the Redskins team anyway, but this goes beyond that.   I bet if you wrote these groups a big check they would shut up.
     

    Offline coloradoherd

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    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 10:48:57 AM »
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  • I hate political correctness but honestly I think the team name is pretty lame.  

    I don't often hear a distinction made between "Redskins" and names of actual tribes.  

    I think it would be a lot better if their name was something like the "Cherokee" or "Mohicans" or "Seminoles."  In my opinion, that's an honor to the tribe and is a sign of respect.  People want to name teams after things that they think are cool and strong and worthy of respect.  

    But "redskins" is so generic, it kinda does sound like an insult, similar to calling someone a "darkie."  
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    Online luvherd

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 11:35:08 AM »
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  • A case of generations being at different levels of diversity. When originally called the Redskins it was meant to honor the courage of the Indian people. Now it is viewed as the color of their skin.
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    Offline Ovaltine Jenkins

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 12:47:15 PM »
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  • A case of generations being at different levels of diversity. When originally called the Redskins it was meant to honor the courage of the Indian people. Now it is viewed as the color of their skin.

    Check out Ken Burns' documentary entitled "Th West".  The massacre of Native Americans in California in the 1840s and 50s and the use of the term will tell you that it was no badge of honor.  That is revisionist history bs.  Hell, all you have to do is look at the cowboy flicks in the movies and on tv when I was a kid (1950s) and context will tell that the term Redskin wasn't used very kindly.
     

    Offline HerdKelly

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 02:30:41 PM »
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  • So there was a "Protect Sacred Lands" Banner in the commercial.  I wonder why I didn't see a picture of a casino?

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    For generations, American Indians have been dogged by poverty, their traditions weakened from within and without. But few things have encapsulated their plight as neatly as this: a proposal by a tribe to build a casino on an Indian burial ground.

    "The tribe is small and needs money to survive. An economic development project like this will give us the money to be self-sufficient," said Leaford Bearskin, chief of the 3,800-member Wyandotte Tribe of Oklahoma.

    The two-acre spot, bordered by busy streets and just blocks from downtown Kansas City, is the spiritual center of the Wyandottes' cousins, the Wyandot Nation of Kansas, who have buried their own there since 1843. The Wyandottes, however, are recognized by the U.S. government as a tribe, and thus have control over the cemetery.


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    After a brief pause, the Poarch Band of Creek Indians has resumed construction on the controversial expansion of its $246 million Wind Creek Casino Wetumpka at Hickory Ground in Alabama—a historic Muscogee (Creek) Nation tribal town that includes a sacred burial ground of Muscogee ancestors.

    But when a 20-year ban on development expired, Poarch built a casino on the site. During excavation, the Poarch Band exhumed around 60 Muscogee graves.




     

    Offline Olen

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 07:28:57 PM »
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  • Check out Ken Burns' documentary entitled "Th West".  The massacre of Native Americans in California in the 1840s and 50s and the use of the term will tell you that it was no badge of honor.  That is revisionist history bs.  Hell, all you have to do is look at the cowboy flicks in the movies and on tv when I was a kid (1950s) and context will tell that the term Redskin wasn't used very kindly.

    I think luvherd was referring to the use of the term "Redskins" when originally adopted by the ownership when they were forced to change their name (from Boston Braves to Boston Redskins), not when the term was first used in describing Native Americans, which is a correct/accurate factual statement.

    I think I have discussed this before, but I'll repeat a few things.  When I started law school in 1998, Harjo (the original challenger to the Washington Redskins trademark) was in year six of her challenge.  When I studied "Trademark Law and Unfair Competition" of the first time in Spring 2000, the case had been up and down through the administrative appeal and civil appeal process a couple of times, and at that point, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals had sent it back to the USPTO and had overturned the PTO's cancellation of the marks.  Fourteen years later, and Harjo has the same re-occurring and inescapable problem (as do copy-cat challengers):

    the evidence necessary to cancel a trademark based on the allegation that the mark is scandalous or disparaging of a group of people is consumer survey evidence, where the average consumer is asked several questions, including how they perceive and associate the trademark(s).

    In every proper consumer survey, the overwhelming majority of the consuming public associates "Washington Redskins" and "Redskins" with an NFL franchise and not with Native Americans, which makes sense because you rarely hear someone use the term "redskin" in reference to a Native American or group of Native Americans.  Until (and unless) the consuming public's perception changes so that "Washington Redskins" and "Redskins" are associated with Native Americans, there is no legal basis for cancelling the franchise's trademark. 

    In addition, people seem to have this misconception that if the marks are cancelled, the use of the terms and logos will vanish.  It won't.  Instead, what will happen, is that use may diminish over the years, but importantly, the profits from such use will be spread amongst third-parties (rather than monopolized by the NFL through their agreement with the franchises that pools/splits revenue from trademark licensing/sales).
     

    Offline MUPE84

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 07:41:56 AM »
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  • How about the Washington Politics.  That would be a great name.
     

    Offline Herd Tattoo

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    « Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 08:02:26 AM »
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  • How about the Washington Politics.  That would be a great name.
    Yes rename the team after the politicians the "foreskins".
     

    Offline firstate

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    « Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 08:06:55 AM »
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  • And Here I thought redskins referred to rednecks drinking beer in boats.

     

    Online svherd

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 08:58:53 AM »
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  • BREAKING NEWS - The Washington Redskins have voted to drop "Washington" from their name due to the negative connotations and embarrassment  it brings. LOL!


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    Offline herdfan429

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 09:02:15 AM »
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  • Ive seen polls saying that upwards of 80% of native americans DONT CARE!!!!   This is just the typical leftist bull crap always being the victim. 
     

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    Offline HerdKelly

    Re: NHR: Anti-Redskins Ad to Air During NBA Finals
    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 09:37:36 AM »
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  • It what I find to be quite ironic, the National Indian Gaming Association (non-profit organization made up of 168 Indian Nations engaged in casinos/gaming) goes by the acronym..... NIGA. 

    Maybe they should change their acronym.  Some people could find that offensive.

     

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