Topic: Our weak, weak schedule

[jstherd]

On May 25, ought-three posted a new topic - "Its about the schedule stupid" and Greensteve, goherd24, svherd, jumped on board with many other naysayers. ....not necessarily in the "stupid" thread, but the negative comments have continued concerning the schedule.

When whf posted his comments todasy, I predicted to my brother that Goherd24 would be on this thread in no time. I was not disappointed. 24 NEVER misses a chance to downgrade Marsahll. Never.

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

If you have read the article, please read the next to last paragraph again. It says what most of us have been saying for a long time (the opposite of the naysayers).The pollsters don't give a hoot about who you play, just win baby, win, and you end up in the Top 25. Northern Ill did it playing in the MAC.

Just like I said back on May 25, I'll post at the end of the season, ought-three, and we'll see where THE HERD lands.

I honestly believe that some of you guys want Marshall to lose games so you can get on here and gives us the "I told you so" BS.

The schedule is fine, Hamrick and Doc are fine, the players believers, MOST of the fans excited. Its too bad that some of you choose to be skeptics.

[lovetheherd2]

On May 25, ought-three posted a new topic - "Its about the schedule stupid" and Greensteve, goherd24, svherd, jumped on board with many other naysayers. ....not necessarily in the "stupid" thread, but the negative comments have continued concerning the schedule.

When whf posted his comments todasy, I predicted to my brother that Goherd24 would be on this thread in no time. I was not disappointed. 24 NEVER misses a chance to downgrade Marsahll. Never.

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

If you have read the article, please read the next to last paragraph again. It says what most of us have been saying for a long time (the opposite of the naysayers).The pollsters don't give a hoot about who you play, just win baby, win, and you end up in the Top 25. Northern Ill did it playing in the MAC.

Just like I said back on May 25, I'll post at the end of the season, ought-three, and we'll see where THE HERD lands.

I honestly believe that some of you guys want Marshall to lose games so you can get on here and gives us the "I told you so" BS.

The schedule is fine, Hamrick and Doc are fine, the players believers, MOST of the fans excited. Its too bad that some of you choose to be skeptics.

I agree 100% but changed the topic line. I am tired of all comments in that area. It may improve in coming years and hopefully the FB team will continue to excel.

GO HERD! Let's enjoy the ride...

[IM4DHERD]

The schedule is not one's fault.  L'ville had a reason to re-schedule and we accepted, got more money and a basketball game out of it.

Complain after the Peach or Orange bowl.

[whf]

I am not sure how my positive post about not taking Doc and Hamrick for granted plays into this thread, but hey, there is a lot I don't understand...

[jstherd]

No criticism intended of you whf.  You, IMO, are one of the better posters on this forum. When I see you have posted, I read!

[wesnky]

Not understanding says it all!     MH was dealt the cards he plays with for the time being.

 Just because a person posts here often with strong opinions does not necessarily make them someone who has knowledge or insight that is best for MU. Trust in Mr Hammrick , he is on the right road!

[ought-three]

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

  *ahem* I posed a question concerning Doc departing to WVU if the mullet has another bad year. I take nothing like that for granted. I hate to give spoilers, but my spreadsheet has the Herd going 12-0 this year. I'm very glad for that result and I hope it comes true. That said, there are a lot of Go5 teams that could have 1 loss and easily be rated over us because...you guessed it. Here is a sampling:

Non-FCS/Go5 competition of projected Go5 contenders.
Boise - Ole Miss
NIU - Northwestern, Arkansas
UCF - Penn St., Missouri
MU -

  I'm not jinxing or putting the team down by not showering them in praise and good feelings. Like any business (that wants to stay in business) I'm analyzing probability and risk. There's no rational reason to be offended. If you can't control your feelings, just pass on by next time.

[jstherd]

When someone refers to me as stupid - especially when I don't know the poster's intentions - I react. When someone continually downgrades Marshall, I react. When someone says Marshall cannot get in the Top 25 because of the schedule, I react. If you look closely, some writers, magazine personnel, pollsters, etc., have us in the pre-season Top 25 and they know our schedule. And, IMO, we do not have to win all of our games to get in the Top 25 - obviously, I jope we do. We were pretty close last year with 4 losses.

Look, I do wear my feelings for Marshall on my sleeve and have done it for 50 years. When I see nothing but negative post about MY school over and over by the same posters, I wonder why they even call themselves Marshall fans.

[bbcard1]

Marshall would be very happy to be playing in the AAC or for that matter the ACC…it's just not lined up to that way and it probably never will be. Were we in the MAC or Sunbelt, our schedule would not be any tougher.  You just play the people in front of you and go from there. One only has to look at our history to see that we are not afraid to play larger schools.  Scheduling it a lot more complicated than most people understand.

[MUonium]

i see the topic has resurfaced once again  ;D  glad i live in a society where every opinion is worthy in a debate, as long as participants understand the rules of the debate, beforehand.  sure wish Hitler's opposition would have opined in as strong of a manner as he did  :)  whitewashed utopia is not where i want to live

[svherd]

I vote we do away with any more threads regarding the schedule. The fact that some national publications and pundits have us in the pre-season top 25 AND going to the Peach or Orange Bowls leads me to believe the schedule isn't as big an issue for them as it for our own fans. If it were that bad, we wouldn't be receiving any of this pub - they would dismiss us as a pretender immediately. jmo.

JUST WIN BABY!

[goherd24]

On May 25, ought-three posted a new topic - "Its about the schedule stupid" and Greensteve, goherd24, svherd, jumped on board with many other naysayers. ....not necessarily in the "stupid" thread, but the negative comments have continued concerning the schedule.

When whf posted his comments todasy, I predicted to my brother that Goherd24 would be on this thread in no time. I was not disappointed. 24 NEVER misses a chance to downgrade Marsahll. Never.

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

If you have read the article, please read the next to last paragraph again. It says what most of us have been saying for a long time (the opposite of the naysayers).The pollsters don't give a hoot about who you play, just win baby, win, and you end up in the Top 25. Northern Ill did it playing in the MAC.

Just like I said back on May 25, I'll post at the end of the season, ought-three, and we'll see where THE HERD lands.

I honestly believe that some of you guys want Marshall to lose games so you can get on here and gives us the "I told you so" BS.

The schedule is fine, Hamrick and Doc are fine, the players believers, MOST of the fans excited. Its too bad that some of you choose to be skeptics.

JST!!!! It is not downgrading Marshall to say we have a weak schedule! OMG. You drive me crazy. You completely disregard facts and try character assasination and deflection as your ways of rationalizing your point of view. Find one where I said we are bad because of a weak schedule or we dont deserve to be in the peach bowl or top 25 etc. I said,that the table is set for a special season. But keep it up with your revisionist agenda. You never dissapoint with your personal attacks for no reason.

I have asserted this on various occasions. Tell me which is false.

- Marshall will finish top 15 or top 10 if we are undefeated.

- Marshall has a weak schedule that hurts us getting an outside playoff shot

-Marshalls weak schedule will NOT interfere woth us getting the access bowl if we are undefeated

-Marshall would be better off in the college landscape in the AAC. (This is the hot button topic and most debatable)

-Doc has a tough time winning on the road, 8-18. It will be tough to go 6-0 this season.

- a season of 13-0 or 12-1 should be expected this year.


So much downgrading in those points? This is reality. The only one even debatable is the AAC and we all know we would have jumped at the chance if we had an invite. It is what it is. We need to win and win big to put us back on the map.

[MUonium]

i vote you post any thread/topic you want under rules of engagement

[Buffalo Bop]

All that matters is winning.

[ought-three]

When someone refers to me as stupid - especially when I don't know the poster's intentions - I react.

It's rather vain to think I directed that post at you. That is a self-centered and emotionally-immature way to look at it.

When someone continually downgrades Marshall, I react. When someone says Marshall cannot get in the Top 25 because of the schedule, I react.

You apparently feel it is your duty to protect the team from scrutiny. So be it.

If you look closely, some writers, magazine personnel, pollsters, etc., have us in the pre-season Top 25 and they know our schedule. And, IMO, we do not have to win all of our games to get in the Top 25 - obviously, I jope we do. We were pretty close last year with 4 losses.

Opinions that align with your seem to be the only valid ones. If I have to look closely at some writers to see that, it must not be obvious or a consensus.

Look, I do wear my feelings for Marshall on my sleeve and have done it for 50 years. When I see nothing but negative post about MY school over and over by the same posters, I wonder why they even call themselves Marshall fans.

[/quote]

Wipe your sleeve, then.

[MUther]

When someone refers to me as stupid - especially when I don't know the poster's intentions - I react. When someone continually downgrades Marshall, I react. When someone says Marshall cannot get in the Top 25 because of the schedule, I react. If you look closely, some writers, magazine personnel, pollsters, etc., have us in the pre-season Top 25 and they know our schedule. And, IMO, we do not have to win all of our games to get in the Top 25 - obviously, I jope we do. We were pretty close last year with 4 losses.

Look, I do wear my feelings for Marshall on my sleeve and have done it for 50 years. When I see nothing but negative post about MY school over and over by the same posters, I wonder why they even call themselves Marshall fans.

You reacted plenty in THAT thread.  Did you really need to start another one a month later to further react?  If that's the case, you have the reflexes of a slug.  Posting another thread to personally call out other posters who did not target you is much worse than them being disappointed about our schedule or saying it is not likely we will be undefeated.  No one on this board wants us to lose a single game.  But most probably want you to shut your trap.

[lovetheherd2]

Guys,

Many of us joined to avoid the internet flaming and calling out of fellow herd fans.

Just a simple note to whomever you wish to meet you on the Smack Board gets this stuff off the main board.

Otherwise many of us will choose just to read the Kelly Green Insider.

Posting warfare is not fun to read.

[ought-three]

Otherwise many of us will choose just to read the Kelly Green Insider.

Posting warfare is not fun to read.

Why aren't you there now?

[jstherd]

Luvtheherd2, you are correct and I appreciate you thoughts. I'm going with your suggestion that is well-thought out. Thanks.

[GreenSteve]

I see only four posts on May 25 and that's not one of them.

http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?board=1.360

As the lead heretic in this thread, I'd like to know the level of my egregiousness.

Could you please find it for me?

Thanks,

GS.

On May 25, ought-three posted a new topic - "Its about the schedule stupid" and Greensteve, goherd24, svherd, jumped on board with many other naysayers. ....not necessarily in the "stupid" thread, but the negative comments have continued concerning the schedule.

When whf posted his comments todasy, I predicted to my brother that Goherd24 would be on this thread in no time. I was not disappointed. 24 NEVER misses a chance to downgrade Marsahll. Never.

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

If you have read the article, please read the next to last paragraph again. It says what most of us have been saying for a long time (the opposite of the naysayers).The pollsters don't give a hoot about who you play, just win baby, win, and you end up in the Top 25. Northern Ill did it playing in the MAC.

Just like I said back on May 25, I'll post at the end of the season, ought-three, and we'll see where THE HERD lands.

I honestly believe that some of you guys want Marshall to lose games so you can get on here and gives us the "I told you so" BS.

The schedule is fine, Hamrick and Doc are fine, the players believers, MOST of the fans excited. Its too bad that some of you choose to be skeptics.

[jocktalker]

On May 25, ought-three posted a new topic - "Its about the schedule stupid" and Greensteve, goherd24, svherd, jumped on board with many other naysayers. ....not necessarily in the "stupid" thread, but the negative comments have continued concerning the schedule.

When whf posted his comments todasy, I predicted to my brother that Goherd24 would be on this thread in no time. I was not disappointed. 24 NEVER misses a chance to downgrade Marsahll. Never.

The Gazette article today, indicated that we should not take Hammrick and Doc for granted, yet the people mentioned above, and others, hop all over these type of assertions.

If you have read the article, please read the next to last paragraph again. It says what most of us have been saying for a long time (the opposite of the naysayers).The pollsters don't give a hoot about who you play, just win baby, win, and you end up in the Top 25. Northern Ill did it playing in the MAC.

Just like I said back on May 25, I'll post at the end of the season, ought-three, and we'll see where THE HERD lands.

I honestly believe that some of you guys want Marshall to lose games so you can get on here and gives us the "I told you so" BS.

The schedule is fine, Hamrick and Doc are fine, the players believers, MOST of the fans excited. Its too bad that some of you choose to be skeptics.

[jocktalker]

Jstherd,
No way of proving you true or false until the season ends but there is no way of saying for certain that the schedule might not keep Marshall from getting an Access Bowl Bid. What most people consider Top 25 (AP/USA coaches poll) WILL NOT be used to determine the G5 team for the Access Bowl. The G5 pick will be made by the Selection Committe and NOBODY knows how that will play out.

[_sturt_]

The point is how many games do other teams get to lose before they fall out of consideration for the major bowl slot while we have to go undefeated?

Almost no one says we can finish with the same record, and so almost everyone acknowledges that other teams get the benefit of one loss, and many think that number is two.

But that's just the beginning. The bigger issue is, are we really going to have to pull this off year after year after year in order to be mentioned in the same breath as similar schools who we have a history of defeating... Cincy... ECU... Houston, etc?

That's why I think this whole discussion is largely short-sighted... setting aside the whole whiny personal inconsequential part of it.

Long-term, something needs to happen from a structural standpoint that allows us to have a schedule that puts us on even-keel with these other schools. To argue differently, as one other poster recently observed, is a misplaced preoccupation with personalities over what is truly beneficial to the program. (I, of course, agree with that.)

[BHFIOHIO]

we can analyze it til the cows come home but ..jmo....Hamrick is in possession of all the facts that effect scheduling and we are not.

Fact if UL came this yr and we beat them and everyone else we would have a better chance.

Because Boise, Houston, UCF, BYU and maybe a coupla others do play a good team or three we do need a better OOC schedule if the access bowl is top priority. But for the umpteenth time, a HOD Bowl vs Big 10/12 is a big enough challenge for now. To get there we need to win CUSA. Lets concentrate on that this yr since UL opted out and worry about 2015 on down the road. If the Peach does come calling then hallelujah, hallelujah! Atlanta here we come!

[_sturt_]

1. If that was meant as a reply to the post before it, evidently the term "long-term" just isn't part of the vocabulary.

2. What exactly do you propose we need to know before we advocate for Hamrick to have more scheduling flexibility?

3. http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=78698.msg617086#msg617086

...That's what's frustrating for me. Why be so hands-off as some seem to be about this. It makes no sense if you're truly pulling for your school to advance and put players in the position to play on the biggest stage reasonable.

Finally, I choke on the words earlier that someone would rather play in the Heart of Dallas Bowl and win rather than play in the Peach Bowl and lose.

First of all, who's to say we couldn't win the Peach Bowl... more to the point, why would anyone automatically assume that? UCF fans certainly wouldn't assume that, so why are any of us talking like that? I don't get it.

But second, pragmatically and accepting the other poster's premise that we would lose one but win the other... how is it to our long-term benefit to win a bowl that pays out $1.1 million to our conference versus playing in a bowl, even if we lost, and the conference payout being something north of, conservatively, $10 million?...