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Offline backontrack

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  • Look, I'm not knocking it...it gives us more opportunities to see our programs, and ASN is broadcast here in Columbus on MY-TV, though last night we got USM/NT...I just wonder why someone thought a new sports network would be a good idea, especially with a limited inventory to sell...their graphics were good (especially in comparison with our CSTV days), and I thought that the announcers were no different than what one would find on the Worldwide Leader or Fox...their camerawork and overall production still suggests that they have a long way to match up with CBSSports or NBCSports networks...anyhow, maybe somebody can tell me how an entity such as ASN can survive and thrive and ultimately make a profit in a saturated field...
     

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    Offline herdman

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  • I am not in that industry, but my guess is so they can be bought out by one of the big boys and they can cash in. Get good enough where a CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN, etc. come in a show you the money. 
     

    Offline _sturt_

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  • As I understood it when the press releases first came out sometime earlier, ASN is essentially a consortium of TV stations, evidently in CUSA markets and with rights to the local CUSA schools' telecasts (though I think there are a few others too), that banded together to fill some weekend time slots with college football... and evidently it was thought that was a better alternative than infomericals or reruns. That's how I took it.
     

    Offline dshoe

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  • Look, I'm not knocking it...it gives us more opportunities to see our programs, and ASN is broadcast here in Columbus on MY-TV, though last night we got USM/NT...I just wonder why someone thought a new sports network would be a good idea, especially with a limited inventory to sell...their graphics were good (especially in comparison with our CSTV days), and I thought that the announcers were no different than what one would find on the Worldwide Leader or Fox...their camerawork and overall production still suggests that they have a long way to match up with CBSSports or NBCSports networks...anyhow, maybe somebody can tell me how an entity such as ASN can survive and thrive and ultimately make a profit in a saturated field...


    The answer is that the number of College Sports syndicators has decreased to 1, Raycom Sports, which is owned by the Raycom Media Group or Station Group if you prefer, they own syndication rights to the ACC, granted to them by ESPN which owns all Media rights in the ACC.  When ESPN got out of the Syndication business (the part I oversaw) last year by creating the SEC Network, over-the-air (OTA) stations lost their largest syndication opportunity in that ESPN Regional was by far the largest syndicator of college programming.  Over the years syndicating Big Ten, Big XII, MAC, Big East, CUSA (at one time), MAAC, AAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt etc.  As these conferences chose to move away from OTA syndication and toward cable -Regional Nets, Conference Nets, etc., there just wasn't a business left for ESPN and other syndicators.  When the ACC Network launches, Raycom will be out of that business too.  Sinclair Station Group was our (ESPN Regional's) largest client and the largest station group in the country, they launched ASN to fill the hole left for college product available to OTA stations.  Granted, there isn't a lot of inventory left for them, thus the smaller conferences that you are seeing them contract with..... CUSA is their best property.  ESPN3 has also become a factor as smaller conferences have chosen to move their games there. 

    Sinclair made a 3 year commitment to ASN, and before you question their business strategy on this, understand that OTA syndication is a POWERFUL element of sales and ratings strategy.  For all their successes, and there are many, ESPN-a cable operation from day one- never fully grasped or appreciated the power of OTA stations.  Last year the SEC syndicated network out rated the ESPN2 game in the same window most every Saturday in that noon window.  When the Big Ten Network launched, we filled the void in the Midwest with a MAC Syndicated network which outrated the BTN game every week for several years, MAC just didn't have the staying power and was replaced with SEC product when ESPN acquired the SEC rights..... today all of those stations are without college product unless they take ASN or ACC from Raycom, and of course Raycom syndicates to its owned stations first (as does Sinclair/ASN)

    ASN's first game ODU v Hampton, for example did a 3.0 rating in Las Vegas, a typical major game on ESPN or ESPN2 or FoxSports1 is considered outstanding if it does a 3 rating.  NBC Sunday Night Football routinely outrates Monday Night Football on ESPN.......... it is just the nature of OTA vs. Cable. (and there are 20 million US TV households without Cable)

    Don't be surprised if ASN fails, but don't be surprised either if it is very successful, and Sinclair has deep pockets!!!  In order to be a long term survivor and player in this market however, they need to find better product and have better access to what they have, particularly in CUSA.  Let me give you an example:  Purdue @ Marshall would be an unbelievable game for ASN, one that would likely go to all 81 million homes that they can touch, and it would possibly do a decent National ratings number, instead the game will go to FoxSports1 and likely do a small national number, but those are the kinds of games that Fox is paying CUSA for......... it is a balancing act for the conferences.
     

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  • Dshoe,

    WOW, Thank you for that explanation
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    Offline dshoe

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  • You are very welcome
     

    Offline backontrack

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  • That's what I was looking for...thank you, sir...
     

    Offline FlyHawk98

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  • I am thankful for ASN. I love the fact we get more games picked up and the picture is good quality. If they will stream all of their games online, then to me, that would be even better.

    I also like the fact that CUSA is their biggest contract right now.
     

    Offline HERDFAN1999

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  • Great explanation dshoe.  Also, nice shoutout to you from Jim donnan during the game. 
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    Offline dshoe

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  • Great explanation dshoe.  Also, nice shoutout to you from Jim donnan during the game. 

    That was nice.  Got a number of nice texts from Mike Gleason the pxp too (he worked with me for a number of years at ESPN) and a text from ASN's executive producer right after that too.

    Was nice.
     

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  • The answer is that the number of College Sports syndicators has decreased to 1, Raycom Sports, which is owned by the Raycom Media Group or Station Group if you prefer, they own syndication rights to the ACC, granted to them by ESPN which owns all Media rights in the ACC.  When ESPN got out of the Syndication business (the part I oversaw) last year by creating the SEC Network, over-the-air (OTA) stations lost their largest syndication opportunity in that ESPN Regional was by far the largest syndicator of college programming.  Over the years syndicating Big Ten, Big XII, MAC, Big East, CUSA (at one time), MAAC, AAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt etc.  As these conferences chose to move away from OTA syndication and toward cable -Regional Nets, Conference Nets, etc., there just wasn't a business left for ESPN and other syndicators.  When the ACC Network launches, Raycom will be out of that business too.  Sinclair Station Group was our (ESPN Regional's) largest client and the largest station group in the country, they launched ASN to fill the hole left for college product available to OTA stations.  Granted, there isn't a lot of inventory left for them, thus the smaller conferences that you are seeing them contract with..... CUSA is their best property.  ESPN3 has also become a factor as smaller conferences have chosen to move their games there. 

    Sinclair made a 3 year commitment to ASN, and before you question their business strategy on this, understand that OTA syndication is a POWERFUL element of sales and ratings strategy.  For all their successes, and there are many, ESPN-a cable operation from day one- never fully grasped or appreciated the power of OTA stations.  Last year the SEC syndicated network out rated the ESPN2 game in the same window most every Saturday in that noon window.  When the Big Ten Network launched, we filled the void in the Midwest with a MAC Syndicated network which outrated the BTN game every week for several years, MAC just didn't have the staying power and was replaced with SEC product when ESPN acquired the SEC rights..... today all of those stations are without college product unless they take ASN or ACC from Raycom, and of course Raycom syndicates to its owned stations first (as does Sinclair/ASN)

    ASN's first game ODU v Hampton, for example did a 3.0 rating in Las Vegas, a typical major game on ESPN or ESPN2 or FoxSports1 is considered outstanding if it does a 3 rating.  NBC Sunday Night Football routinely outrates Monday Night Football on ESPN.......... it is just the nature of OTA vs. Cable. (and there are 20 million US TV households without Cable)

    Don't be surprised if ASN fails, but don't be surprised either if it is very successful, and Sinclair has deep pockets!!!  In order to be a long term survivor and player in this market however, they need to find better product and have better access to what they have, particularly in CUSA.  Let me give you an example:  Purdue @ Marshall would be an unbelievable game for ASN, one that would likely go to all 81 million homes that they can touch, and it would possibly do a decent National ratings number, instead the game will go to FoxSports1 and likely do a small national number, but those are the kinds of games that Fox is paying CUSA for......... it is a balancing act for the conferences.

    I know one thing, if ASN is going to be successful they need to get better equipment.  I worked the URI/Marshall game with them and it was really bad.  They had a lot of equipment not work and the sureshot truck they have had a ton of issues.

     

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  • Had to stream it from their website.  It was blurry.  Usually have not trouble steaming, this was awful, but it beat not watching it at all.
     

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  •  FIU game... camera clarity looked like they were really long distance. Looked kinda cheap
     

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  • The game came across on my TV in good quality.  There were times the camera angle wasn't the best or something was missed but from a picture perspective, it was almost as good as any HD picture I have seen elsewhere.  I also pulled it up on my phone and it looked great there as well.  I have watched a few games the American has broadcasted this year and each have been good quality.  I hope they are successful and CUSA becomes a staple with them and we continue to get plenty of third tier games broadcasted when we don't get on Fox Family of networks or CBS Sports.  Maybe more basketball games will be broadcast and we can watch them...of course I hope we get better in basketball so they are enjoyable.
     

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  • I know one thing, if ASN is going to be successful they need to get better equipment.  I worked the URI/Marshall game with them and it was really bad.  They had a lot of equipment not work and the sureshot truck they have had a ton of issues.

    Sinclair just took delivery on two new production trucks, they are making a commitment to ASN, that said, Revenue drives production budgets.
     

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  • FIU game... camera clarity looked like they were really long distance. Looked kinda cheap

    you should go back and watch it again, or watch Dunk's highlights.........plenty of tight shots, the stadium is what it is in terms of camera angles and they work with just 5 cameras, some of what you seeing is "style" of the director.

    I've produced and directed a lot of TV over the years and this was pretty good for the budget.
     

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  • The game came across on my TV in good quality.  There were times the camera angle wasn't the best or something was missed but from a picture perspective, it was almost as good as any HD picture I have seen elsewhere.  I also pulled it up on my phone and it looked great there as well.  I have watched a few games the American has broadcasted this year and each have been good quality.  I hope they are successful and CUSA becomes a staple with them and we continue to get plenty of third tier games broadcasted when we don't get on Fox Family of networks or CBS Sports.  Maybe more basketball games will be broadcast and we can watch them...of course I hope we get better in basketball so they are enjoyable.

    Some of you are being hyper critical on this....... ASN is doing these games on a shoestring and are doing them quite well, in fact if you add a 1st & ten line, these are quite good from a viewer quality standpoint...........AND they just took deliver on equipment for 2 1st & 10 line generations per week........so that is coming too.

    For a first year startup, they are doing a surprisingly good job.
     

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  • dshoe, I know some of the announcers have ESPN ties...what about the production folks???...
     

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  • Had to stream it from their website.  It was blurry.  Usually have not trouble steaming, this was awful, but it beat not watching it at all.

    My stream's quality rivaled the raw network feeds I used to pick up when we lived in the country, easily the best stream I have ever seen.
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  • Some of you are being hyper critical on this....... ASN is doing these games on a shoestring and are doing them quite well, in fact if you add a 1st & ten line, these are quite good from a viewer quality standpoint...........AND they just took deliver on equipment for 2 1st & 10 line generations per week........so that is coming too.

    For a first year startup, they are doing a surprisingly good job.

    Exactly DShoe. As U mentioned, I thought it was pretty darn good. It sure beats a game broadcast with a scoreboard camera.  :D.   I am very glad that they are making an effort as it gives is another chance at Herd games being broadcast.
     

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  • dshoe, I know some of the announcers have ESPN ties...what about the production folks???...

    Executive Producer was never full time at ESPN but most of his work came from ESPN over the years..... I've known him for a good while.  Good guy

    Rod Thulin was really a Fox guy and Big XII, but most of the rest have ESPN ties at some point in their careers
     

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  • I've seen very little to be critical about in regards to ASN. They are producing good quality broadcasts on the cheap. Beyond that, we are their best product and ASN worked to accomodate our fans who couldn't get the broadcast locally. They brought in Donnan to do the color and that's not by chance. All things considered it is a great situation for 3rd tier rights, I hope they do well!
     

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  • Production was fine. Not great but better than the Miami camera work. Can't complain from a TV perspective. Not sure about streaming.
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  • Production was fine. Not great but better than the Miami camera work. Can't complain from a TV perspective. Not sure about streaming.

    Miami was done by students and it showed.......... Streaming was GREAT...... about the same as the ESPN3 shows that are produced by ESPN and managed by MARSHALL alum, Stos Hall who now runs most operational aspects of ESPN3
     

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  • I thought that the TV feed was really good. I thought that not having the first down line would bother me (oh how we've been spoiled), but it didn't. They did a nice job of getting the first down marker on the sideline in most shots.
     

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