Topic: Why not....

[herd2win]

If you are Bill Legg go back and look at 2013 when we were ranked near the top in offense and running about 80 to 90 plays a game?  Something needs to be done because it looks like we are running a midget league scheme.

Time to speed up the tempo.

[goherd24]

If you are Bill Legg go back and look at 2013 when we were ranked near the top in offense and running about 80 to 90 plays a game?  Something needs to be done because it looks like we are running a midget league scheme.

Time to speed up the tempo.

Have to have a QB that truly has mastered the offense to do that. As bad and inconsistent as our WR snd oline have been, if we do tempo like that, we risk putting our defense in a terrible situation with fatigue in 3 and outs that gove them about 1 minutes rest.

I like up tempo, but we have to show we can consistently get first downs before we try the 2013 version.

[Herdmeister]

Have to have a QB that truly has mastered the offense to do that. As bad and inconsistent as our WR snd oline have been, if we do tempo like that, we risk putting our defense in a terrible situation with fatigue in 3 and outs that gove them about 1 minutes rest.

I like up tempo, but we have to show we can consistently get first downs before we try the 2013 version.

You are correct. No way that Chase can be that familiar with the offense to run it like a 2-3 year starter. If you all remember, we dummed it down quite a bit when Cato was a freshman too.

[coloradoherd]

It might be something to consider, but I know the coaching staff made a deliberate choice after 2012 to get away from the extreme up-tempo offense.  

That may or may not have been the right choice, but I doubt they would go back in that direction.  

I seem to remember Legg or Doc saying something after our 5-7 season in 2012 along the lines of, "Yeah, we ran more plays per game than anybody else but where did that get us?  Just 5 wins."  

They seemed to think the up-tempo offense was part of the reason for our defensive struggles that year, and said something about wanting to slow things down and have a more balanced team concept in the future, to not put so much pressure on the D.  

[Thunders77]

If you are Bill Legg go back and look at 2013 when we were ranked near the top in offense and running about 80 to 90 plays a game?  Something needs to be done because it looks like we are running a midget league scheme.

Time to speed up the tempo.

You cannot do that with a young QB and an overall inexperienced offense with a lot of injuries and basically your fourth string running back from the Spring. They would turn the ball over repeatedly, the QB may get killed and not go anywhere...all it takes is for one guy out of the 11 to be off and the whole play can fall apart. Veteran teams play fast.

Folks, as much as this is beyond the comprehension of many who post crazy things on this board, Doc Holliday and Bill Legg know what they are doing, and they are good at what they do. You have to walk before you can run.

[goherd24]

You cannot do that with a young QB and an overall inexperienced offense with a lot of injuries and basically your fourth string running back from the Spring. They would turn the ball over repeatedly, the QB may get killed and not go anywhere...all it takes is for one guy out of the 11 to be off and the whole play can fall apart. Veteran teams play fast.

Folks, as much as this is beyond the comprehension of many who post crazy things on this board, Doc Holliday and Bill Legg know what they are doing, and they are good at what they do. You have to walk before you can run.

I am not in the camp that believes Bill legg knows what he is doing. He is an extremely mediocre OC that relies on star players to make him look good. He has done absolutely squat in the years that we have not been extremely talented on the field.

Kind of like any offensive coordinator would look good on the patriots right now.

[whf]

I am in the camp that says that although I get really miffed/pissed off, Bill Legg knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and will win as many games as possible with the offensive skill set on the MU football team.  I just don't get it, do some of you think that he's lost his capabilities just becasuse things are different year from year?  That is a sign of exactly the opposite, that he doesn't try to fit square pegs into round holes, that he doesn't try to make newbies brilliant heros at once, that he doesn't jump to incapability for the sake of looking like he runs A, B or C offense regardless of the teams ability to do so.

Short memories must be a blessing, sometimes I wish my was shorter; however we've been here before, name a QB starting as a freshman and I'll show you that period of time.

We're in good hands with Bill Legg, many programs would love to have him. And I bet many Quarterbacks would love to study under / play for him.  Otherwise we'd never have got them to sign those letters of intent.

[W0lfman]

I am not in the camp that believes Bill legg knows what he is doing. He is an extremely mediocre OC that relies on star players to make him look good. He has done absolutely squat in the years that we have not been extremely talented on the field.

Kind of like any offensive coordinator would look good on the patriots right now.

im really finding it hard to disagree with anything in this post.


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[Greg H]

Every word of this stupidity was said, verbatim, when Cato was a freshman.  Idiots.

[svherd]

Maybe they are keeping it simple for Chase but good gracious, our base of 5-6 plays is easy to prep for. Surely they can open it up a bit. We will be hard presses to hang with teams with good offenses like MT, WKU, etc.

[rvntx]

You can only go as fast as what your QB can handle.........

[marshallz13]

We didn't use motion or do anything creative on offense even when Cato was a damn senior. Cato just made plays out of nothing and made our offense great.

[Thunders77]

im really finding it hard to disagree with anything in this post.


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Really? How about you go back and look at 2011.

Marshall won a game 26-20 over eventual C-USA Champ Southern Miss (coached by now UNC head coach Larry Fedora and has a senior WB named Austin Davis who currently plays in the NFL) at home and 17-14 at Louisville (who was coached by now Texas head coach Charlie Strong and also had a freshman QB by the name of Teddy Bridgewater)

The play calling in both those games was outstanding. For a team with a bad offensive line and a an inexperienced QB to pull off those two wins and then finish that season bowl eligible and to win a bowl game was a damn good job of coaching by Billy Legg and Doc Holliday.

Couple that with what we have seen the last three seasons - which is by no exaggeration one of the most productive offenses in the NCAA by every measure (only Baylor and Oregon compare) that culminated in three consecutive bowl wins and a conference title last year. I would say a complete buffoon would have enough common sense to realize we have good coaches. Apparently, they don't.

[MUonium]

average, unsettled teams must indeed look outside the box, so yes, i agree that you had all spring, all summer and all fall to install/instill the hurry up EVEN/especially with your back up QB. nobody can deny that its worked well for Doc/Legg AND we have a good enough D and SpT to back it up. how smart do you have to be to dumb down and O??

[herd2win]

With DJ now out we have to get more creative...defenses will not have to focus on him so we have to spread the ball around.  Use the tight ends way more and expose the middle of the field and more intermediate pass routes.

[MUonium]

if your 3rd down play is dismal.....

[goherd50]

I am not taking sides in whether we should or shouldn't do something.  That's up to the coaches.

However, for those saying you have to have an experienced team to run hurry up - wasn't Cato a sophomore the year we really ran it fast?  Then we slowed it down from there as he got more experienced.

Part of the value of hurry up is that you are only running a few plays, but are trying to put the D at a disadvantage in other ways - limiting rotation, etc.

[Thunders77]

I am not taking sides in whether we should or shouldn't do something.  That's up to the coaches.

However, for those saying you have to have an experienced team to run hurry up - wasn't Cato a sophomore the year we really ran it fast?  Then we slowed it down from there as he got more experienced.

Part of the value of hurry up is that you are only running a few plays, but are trying to put the D at a disadvantage in other ways - limiting rotation, etc.

Rakeem Cato played 13 games as a freshman in 2011 and we were methodical. That experience helped us in 2012 when we went up tempo and fast. But it is not just the QB....you gotta have the receivers and backs on the same page too.