Topic: MU Football Program is lacking transparency

[HerdKelly]

what Chuck said made no sense.  He made it sound like MU didn't give the kids their Pell grants.  As far as I know Pell grants are issued by the Federal government and are income based, so basically MU has no control.  

I didn't read it as MU's fault.  Just that they didn't get the money for whatever reason.  Could be any number of things from problems on their end, their high schools' end or MU's end but I don't think any particular party was implied at fault.

At the end of the day though that's just another problem with props.  Many fall by the wayside in the year spent waiting for them to be eligible and part of the team.

[carolinaherdfan]

I think we have been lacking transparency since just after the Mercedes incident. Did the safeguards that were began at that time to help our football program to become a winner again improve The Universities football program or just upset the local press?

"do you know who I am"? Dana Holgerson

[Thunders]

Hate to head of losing some of our best recruits. We are losing lots of our top talent lately.

[carolinaherdfan]

This boils me. Transparency, 1/3 of this board are privy to the daily goings on of the University. We lost our belated leader due to an untimely heart attack. The state has not moved in favor of Marshall in a similar manner that they moved forward for WVU when they immediately re-hired the racist G.Gordon Gee., as their acting, then re-hired President. Yet, now we have local media questioning Marshall Universities transparency because of what?

This whole thing has the beginnings of a big stink to me. Let's hope WV doesn't go that low....
Our State and our beloved Marshall University deserves so much better......

[MarshallSteve]

wouldn't be a source if he disclosed that.

Let's be clear though, at least one person on this board is also saying that he has a "source" that is saying the same thing.

Like Chuck or not, transparency in the use of our public resources is a desirable thing........ whether this rises to that level is for another disussion

I cant help but wonder if all this stuff he is claiming is made up.

[dshoe]

Bottom line is Landon showed his ass... AGAIN. Now, he's banned, as he should be.

We'll see how long that lasts................more than one newspaper has refused to cover sports teams that have tried to ban reporters..........Marshall needs the HD as much or more than it needs MU. 

As Sonny Randle once said, even bad PR is better than no PR.  Every column inch Chuck writes on MU gets read over and over and by more and more people. 

MU could solve this simply by being more forthcoming too.  I'm just saying.

[Always THE HERD]

We'll see how long that lasts................more than one newspaper has refused to cover sports teams that have tried to ban reporters..........Marshall needs the HD as much or more than it needs MU. 

As Sonny Randle once said, even bad PR is better than no PR.  Every column inch Chuck writes on MU gets read over and over and by more and more people. 

MU could solve this simply by being more forthcoming too.  I'm just saying.

I agree with you dshoe.........LET'S GO HERD!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE!!!!!!!!!! MARSHALL!!!!!!!!!

[MarshallSteve]

We'll see how long that lasts................more than one newspaper has refused to cover sports teams that have tried to ban reporters..........Marshall needs the HD as much or more than it needs MU. 

As Sonny Randle once said, even bad PR is better than no PR.  Every column inch Chuck writes on MU gets read over and over and by more and more people. 

MU could solve this simply by being more forthcoming too.  I'm just saying.

 I will have to respectfully disagree on that statement dshoe. Marshall does NOT have to be as forthcoming as some would like them to be. Chucks plea for injury details on a player is a prime example. No its not a "shroud of secrecy or classified information" as Landon makes it out to be. A players medical condition is nobody's business but the player, his family and the medical team/coaches involved.

 He is wrong again in his plea for Marshall to release details of why a kid was dismissed from the program. There is no need for those details to be released. Details could be bad for the kid, Marshall or both. Besides, its not like Marshall or any other school ever gave detailed explanations for a kids dismissal in the past anyway. He talks about some props that left and why there wasn't any detail information on those departures....maybe that's because coaches are not allowed to comment on kids that were never officially part of the team?
 
 He went on to claim Doc threw Birdsong under the bus by announcing that he will share QB duties with Litton? Seriously? Since when can a coach not make a position move to try and improve the team? We all know Litton is a very talented player. That was probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read from him.

[dshoe]

I will have to respectfully disagree on that statement dshoe. Marshall does NOT have to be as forthcoming as some would like them to be. Chucks plea for injury details on a player is a prime example. No its not a "shroud of secrecy or classified information" as Landon makes it out to be. A players medical condition is nobody's business but the player, his family and the medical team/coaches involved.

 He is wrong again in his plea for Marshall to release details of why a kid was dismissed from the program. There is no need for those details to be released. Details could be bad for the kid, Marshall or both. Besides, its not like Marshall or any other school ever gave detailed explanations for a kids dismissal in the past anyway. He talks about some props that left and why there wasn't any detail information on those departures....maybe that's because coaches are not allowed to comment on kids that were never officially part of the team?
 
 He went on to claim Doc threw Birdsong under the bus by announcing that he will share QB duties with Litton? Seriously? Since when can a coach not make a position move to try and improve the team? We all know Litton is a very talented player. That was probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read from him.

I think you are a bit over the top on all of this.  No one needs to release details of injuries, but most programs will tell you a player is injured and project a time he may return.  Secretiveness breeds this kind of speculation and we all know just from reading this board that rumors spread like wildfire and people make up crazy stories in the absence of real matter of fact statements from those who know.  A certain level of transparency from any public institution is rightfully expected.  Just like with the university, grades are a matter of privacy.........disqualification due to academic deficiency is not protected.  There are many ways to tell what needs to be told, without violating anyone's right to privacy.

The public "desire to know" can be met somewhere in the middle of what is now going on.

[coalherd]

Exactly, dshoe.  Look at Missouri this week.  They came out and stated openly that their QB and another player were out of this week's game with S. Carolina.  As for injuries, if a player is out for a game, couple of games, or the season due to injuries, it should be indicated by the University/athletic dept.  Don't have to give a detailed medical report or infringe on privacy issues.

I don't have any real position one way or the other on the Chuck vs. Doc/Hamrick "dispute".  I'll just say that if Chuck is causing so much consternation in the athletic department due to the tone of his columns; and, if as many of you say he is a lightweight, simpleton, idiot, etc., then I wonder how Doc, Hamrick, etc., would react in a bigger, higher profile program?  I'm sure the media in places like Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Ann Arbor/Detroit, Austin, etc., is more demanding, more penetrating in their questioning and inquiries.  I'm confident that said media has a lot more competent investigative type sports reporters and columnists than Chuck Landon!!

Final thought.  I believe I read somewhere years ago that Chuck went to MU for about 3 years, but he finished up his degree work at WV State.  Not really sure if his "degree" is from MU or WVSU.  Believe he was referred to here as a MU alum, but not sure that is really accurate.

[carolinaherdfan]

I hope I can live long enough to see our credible fanbase grow to greater then one...

What a continual Matthew, Mark, Luke and John crock of (bleep)...

I wonder Dan,  does your mind ever matriculate to a level of an imagination that Corporatism, vs Yet, Socialism providing a better product at a much lower cost for the betterment of all society.

Dan, do you believe this is something we should be exploring?

[dshoe]

I hope I can live long enough to see our credible fanbase grow to greater then one...

What a continual Matthew, Mark, Luke and John crock of bull%^&*...

I wonder Dan,  does your mind ever matriculate to a level of an imagination that Corporatism, vs Yet, Socialism providing a better product at a much lower cost for the betterment of all society.

Dan, do you believe this is something we should be exploring?

actually I spend more time trying to decipher the meaning of your posts!  Generally more complicated than the true meaning of life!  Philosophically speaking, of course

[Thunders77]

We'll see how long that lasts................more than one newspaper has refused to cover sports teams that have tried to ban reporters..........Marshall needs the HD as much or more than it needs MU.  

As Sonny Randle once said, even bad PR is better than no PR.  Every column inch Chuck writes on MU gets read over and over and by more and more people.  

MU could solve this simply by being more forthcoming too.  I'm just saying.

Actually, now more than ever, Marshall or any other Athletics program does not need the local newspaper. With technology - social media, website, newsletters, video production, etc. Marshall or any other school, no longer needs an intermediary to reach its fans and stakeholders. Especially in hard copy print.

I would argue, the Herald-Dispatch needs Marshall more than Marshall needs it now. I would have to think one of the only reasons people like me would buy that paper is to read about Marshall sports coverage. Things I also get directly through Herdzone.com now.

And as far as a columnist - I get all the opinion I want from this message board, Twitter and Facebook.

[carolinaherdfan]

I apologize for just specifying you only, but my question is: is the greater good for everyone to throw in a MU game from time to time, or stay with the Michigans, Notre Dames etc.. Period. I realize the profit is greater showing an OSU game, but is the greater good better served for everyone by throwing in a MU game as Exa., from time to time. A La. tech, as well.

I am still waiting to see our CUSA leadership move in any direction vs where we are now to improve our marketability....

[backontrack]

I agree with thunders...when the HD limited access to "freeloaders" I went to the Beckley and Charleston papers and MetroNews, who cover the Herd as well as the HD does, at least for us out-of-towners...and they lose out when a segment of the locals doesn't pick up a hard copy because of Done Deal...

[Thunders77]

I agree with thunders...when the HD limited access to "freeloaders" I went to the Beckley and Charleston papers and MetroNews, who cover the Herd as well as the HD does, at least for us out-of-towners...and they lose out when a segment of the locals doesn't pick up a hard copy because of Done Deal...

Newspapers just are not needed by sports fans anymore.

I can watch the head football coach in his weekly press conference live or at my pleasure. I can also listen or watch his post game and player comments. I can do the same for every opponent Marshall plays.

I can watch all the games from my home via my computer or TV.

I can talk to other fans and get opinions and discuss on message boards or social media - in real time.

I can even directly interact with the coaches, administrators, former players and follow current players from any team I want on Twitter and Facebook and other social media sites.

I get my HerdInsider for all the obsolete print anyone would want. Everything else any fan needs is at our finger tips and we don't need a go between now.

[LUVTHATHERD]

Fact is what is going on with injuries of players and private team issues really aren't our business.  Marshall has the right to release what they feel is appropriate when they feel it is appropriate.  Sure we all want to know, but at the end of the day, it just isn't our business.
GO HERD!!!!!!!

[ColumbusHerd]

Thank you Letv !

[MarshallSteve]

Fact is what is going on with injuries of players and private team issues really aren't our business.  Marshall has the right to release what they feel is appropriate when they feel it is appropriate.  Sure we all want to know, but at the end of the day, it just isn't our business.
GO HERD!!!!!!!

Totally agree.