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Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2015, 07:23:03 PM »
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  • The same could be said about most college towns. Morganhole, Happy Valley, Champaign, IL, Blacksburg, etc.

    Big difference between those towns & H-ton is that H-ton grew up as an industrial town..not a college town. For much of H-ton's history MU was not the most important concern in town. Much of the town is butt-ugly because the population has been decimated by the loss of economic activity. Now MU IS the most important entity in town. MU has recently started programs that can create new local jobs & businesses. It is imperative that H-ton develops enough amenities to keep some of MU's tech grads around.
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  • Big difference between those towns & H-ton is that H-ton grew up as an industrial town..not a college town. For much of H-ton's history MU was not the most important concern in town. Much of the town is butt-ugly because the population has been decimated by the loss of economic activity. Now MU IS the most important entity in town. MU has recently started programs that can create new local jobs & businesses. It is imperative that H-ton develops enough amenities to keep some of MU's tech grads around.
    no doubt that Hton does have some of the same issues rust belt cities are going through.
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    « Reply #27 on: December 15, 2015, 07:44:41 PM »
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  • Damn, I hate Charleston. If Marshall were in Charleston, I doubt I'd ever come back.

    We have this thing called the Hotel Roanoke Conference Center.  It's not bad.

    I am actually and always will be a guy from Wayne who would have loved to have lived his life around the people and places he knew as a boy but had to make the choice to leave to make a good living and better life for my family. One that Huntington could not provide for me.
    sorry you feel that way about Chucktown.  I like Huntington and Charleston and don't have a problem with Roanoke-it's not bad just not all that, as long as you like it and were able to find gainful employment it sounds good.

    Hotel Roanoke?  I've seen it.  Isn't it the place that was bankrupt and VT bought it or something--but hey if you and your guests in Roanoke like it that's good too.
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    Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
    « Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 07:53:00 PM »
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  • You've got that all wrong, 2x, so far as the Hotel Roanoke goes (it's a Hilton property now) but that's not surprising. 

    I got assaulted when I was in Charleston by a gang outside of a bowling alley when I was pretty young. They were hitting on a 15-year-old girl pretty hard and she wanted no part of it, so I took her to the car (we were in a group).  Once I got her safely away I was jumped by several young men.  Lucky, I had a buddy who saw what was going on and drove into the crowd and pulled me into the car. Soured me on the place. I came out of it ok…could have worked out a lot worse.

    But this isn't about Roanoke or Lynchburg or Charleston.  It's about Huntington and I hope with all my heart they get it turned around. I do think Williams is a good mayor.

    That said, if you are in Roanoke, please call me or PM me.  I would love to take you on a tour, buy you a beer, and it won't be at a classy place at all but I'll bet you'll have fun.  Offer stands for any of my Herd brothers.

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  • Also in the Prichard area, about 20-30 minutes south of Huntington....

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  • bb I don't get to Roanoke much anymore but if so I'll look you up.  If I didn't like places where I got my ass kicked I wouldn't like my home town
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    Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
    « Reply #31 on: December 15, 2015, 08:24:00 PM »
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    « Reply #32 on: December 15, 2015, 08:25:07 PM »
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  • You've got that all wrong, 2x, so far as the Hotel Roanoke goes (it's a Hilton property now) but that's not surprising. 

    I got assaulted when I was in Charleston by a gang outside of a bowling alley when I was pretty young. They were hitting on a 15-year-old girl pretty hard and she wanted no part of it, so I took her to the car (we were in a group).  Once I got her safely away I was jumped by several young men.  Lucky, I had a buddy who saw what was going on and drove into the crowd and pulled me into the car. Soured me on the place. I came out of it ok…could have worked out a lot worse.

    But this isn't about Roanoke or Lynchburg or Charleston.  It's about Huntington and I hope with all my heart they get it turned around. I do think Williams is a good mayor.

    That said, if you are in Roanoke, please call me or PM me.  I would love to take you on a tour, buy you a beer, and it won't be at a classy place at all but I'll bet you'll have fun.  Offer stands for any of my Herd brothers.

    I had a similar experience in Roanoke last year. I live in RVA and was in Roanoke to find a house for our church group to renovate.  I was in area near downtown and heard automatic gunfire, drug dealers I guess.
     

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    « Reply #33 on: December 15, 2015, 09:02:47 PM »
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  • More taxes for people who can't afford them.  Meanwhile, the cronies will make millions.  If it was really such a great idea, private money would do it without tax dollars.
     

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    « Reply #34 on: December 15, 2015, 09:41:15 PM »
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  • Hopefully the hotel is big enough to house opposing teams and meet their needs.  If the short-sighted people in this city had legalized table gaming in Huntington 10-12 years ago when they voted, there would have been a pretty good influx of cash from the surrounding region.  We don't have much in the way of production here so the same money just changes hands and the government gets a little bit of it each time.  Industry or tourism are the only real hope and the state is too backward to entice industry to the area.

    And by the state being backward I mean tax breaks/tax free for businesses, recouped from earners/employees' income taxes.  It's how it's done everywhere but here.
    MUther you're spot on and add to that the screw up with the regional airport and routing I-64 around the metro area rather than through it just has made matters worse for Herd Athletics. This caused growth to move east and the demise of downtown as we once knew it. Pullman Square is an improvement, but seriously Fly a river cruise destination. I boated, and swam on the dirty Ohio in the 60's. I doubt if it is even fit for fishing. The reality is we need a full service hotel, big enough to house our opponents. The mistakes of the past are almost impossible to overcome.
     

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    « Reply #35 on: December 15, 2015, 09:51:17 PM »
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  • More taxes for people who can't afford them.  Meanwhile, the cronies will make millions.  If it was really such a great idea, private money would do it without tax dollars.

    I love when people make comments but have no idea what is really going on.  This development is the brain child of a private group and they are working with the city to pull it off. What kind of people are these folks?  Well, two years ago they won a $20,000,000 judgement against the city. They could have enforced that judgement and the city would have had to declare bankruptcy, but they didn't do that, they went to the city and offered a plan that would help Huntington and allow them to potentially recoup their damages caused by the city back over a period of time.

    The city only has to help the developers secure grant money. Frankly, the city should have been working on this for decades, but they never seem to get around to it.   A first class covered marina with dry storage facilities, boat/wave runner rentals, retail, restaurants, hotel.  Should be nice.  I would say about 50/50 of happening at this point.
     

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    « Reply #36 on: December 15, 2015, 10:00:03 PM »
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  • Hopefully, this project comes to fruition and that all elements in the city get behind it.  However, some of the negativity is natural and stems from the fact that people in Huntington have experienced these GRAND ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE and have been disappointed when, POOF, the proposed big projects disappear into thin air.

    Example.  How many of you remember the proposed Marshall Commons project, set out by then MU president Dale Nitzschke (sp.) over 30 years ago?  A mixed use housing, for MU students and others, and retail complex along Third Avenue.  Deep sixed real quick, apparently the Pres didn't have the approval of some of the good ole H-town "movers and shakers" on board, including some in city government.  Maybe he also had opposition from some of the long established businesses in the area, like Glaser's Beanbag Emporium, which still manages to exist (unfortunately) and plod along in its stuck-in-the 70s form.

    Example.   Remember the more recent, last 10 years, Third Avenue project announced by a Lexington, KY developer(s)?  Was to be on ACF property and included, hotel/conference center, a governmental agency facility/building, and some of development was for MU usage, including, I believe, a baseball facility.  Even got approved for big funds from State of WV development office but then went south when developers struck out in obtaining private financing.  

    We could also mention the years/decade(?) as city officials stumbled, bumbled and otherwise screwed up the much ballyhooed "Super Block" in downtown which, we all now know, ended up as the Huntington Mall- - -IN BARBOURSVILLE!!!!!

    And as for Roanoke.  Well, look at history in the last 60-70 years.  Check the 1940 census figures for Roanoke, Johnson City, TN, and Huntington.  All 3 old time traditional railroad towns, Huntington being the larger.  When the interstate system started in the 50's-60s, all 3 had interstates that BYPASSED their downtowns- -I-64 in H-town and I-81 in JC and Roanoke.  Yet today, folks, JC has a population of around 70,000, Roanoke over 90,000, and H-town less than 50,000, and still falling.  In 1940, H-town was larger than the other two.  ETSU in JC has surpassed MU in enrollment, their med school, started by VA at same time as MUs, is ranked higher, they have established a larger pharmacy school, and the city overall is growing, new roads, businesses abound, etc.  As for Roanoke, well Carillon Health and VA Tech have developed a rather impressive medical and research complex downtown, which still has a viable downtown mall despite competing mall complexes on the city's outskirts.  Roanoke has upgraded its roads in the city much more than Huntington has over the years and there is NO Comparison as to the availability of the housing stock, quality wise, between the two cities.  And if you remember the old Southern Conference bb tourney, then you should know that Roanoke's Civic Center complex is light years ahead of the Super Store Red Barn in H-town!  Sure, these other two have problems:  Norfolk Southern has announced the move of hundreds of well paid employees out of Roanoke, another sure sign that its bread and butter revenue days from hauling coal out of WV and elsewhere are over, and not coming back anytime soon.

    But in last 50 plus years, these other two cities HAVE GROWN, HUNTINGTON HAS DECLINED.  Other two have had real business and governmental leaders!  Huntington?  Well, its insular, inbred mentality resulted in city "leaders" wringing their hands and saying the woe is me lament that "the interstate is outside town and this hurts us", or "everybody in Charleston hates us", etc., etc.

    So folks in Huntington better hope these latest "home run" projects will start to pan out and get the city turned around.  The city cannot afford another "bust" or fictional project that promises much and delivers nothing!!  Further failure and decline CANNOT BE AN OPTION- - -for the good of both the city and Marshall!!
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  • More taxes for people who can't afford them.  Meanwhile, the cronies will make millions.  If it was really such a great idea, private money would do it without tax dollars.

    Riverwalk LLC is the private entity building and funding it. The city gets a small profit at the beginning, increasing up to 30% during the next 30 years. The City has agreed to help secure grants to help fund it. Plus the City gets out of a lawsuit which could have cost $20 million.

    Looks like a win-win-win for the school and the area we all love (I think).

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    « Reply #38 on: December 15, 2015, 10:23:54 PM »
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  • Maybe I missed it but saw nothing about a hotel???
     

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    « Reply #39 on: December 15, 2015, 10:41:17 PM »
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  • Out of towner - spent almost 40 years in or around Cincinnati. In the last five to eight years have seen progress. Last two or three even more.

    Town has some 47,000 residents, metro area another 15,000. Chesapeake, Ashland, Ironton?.

    Marshall has about 14,000.

    Whatever happens needs to benefit both. May need to become Destroyed nation city for surrounding area for medical, educational, commercial success.

    Seems like headed that way and will be good for Huntinton, Marxhall and WV.

    Keep,it going
     

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    Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
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  • According to Wikipedia Huntington metro pop is 363,325
     

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    « Reply #41 on: December 16, 2015, 08:20:04 AM »
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  • I love when people make comments but have no idea what is really going on.  This development is the brain child of a private group and they are working with the city to pull it off. What kind of people are these folks?  Well, two years ago they won a $20,000,000 judgement against the city. They could have enforced that judgement and the city would have had to declare bankruptcy, but they didn't do that, they went to the city and offered a plan that would help Huntington and allow them to potentially recoup their damages caused by the city back over a period of time.

    The city only has to help the developers secure grant money. Frankly, the city should have been working on this for decades, but they never seem to get around to it.   A first class covered marina with dry storage facilities, boat/wave runner rentals, retail, restaurants, hotel.  Should be nice.  I would say about 50/50 of happening at this point.

    "Grant Money," as if it's manna from heaven.  It's TAX DOLLARS!  So I guess it's ok for a trash man from Omaha to pay for unnecessary amenities in Huntington?  Not even.
     

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    « Reply #42 on: December 16, 2015, 08:38:19 AM »
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  • "Grant Money," as if it's manna from heaven.  It's TAX DOLLARS!  So I guess it's ok for a trash man from Omaha to pay for unnecessary amenities in Huntington?  Not even.

    I'd rather the tax dollars came from an overpaid lawyer who got his undergraduate degree and law degree using tax dollars he got in the form of veterans benefits.
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    Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
    « Reply #43 on: December 16, 2015, 08:48:30 AM »
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  • According to Wikipedia Huntington metro pop is 363,325

    metro is the extended area. Though I don't have the exact methodology, probably Wayne, Cabell, Lincoln and all the towns that comprise them are included as well as likely Ashland and Proctorville and other areas in Ohio. These areas in some incidences have a direct effect on Huntington, but in many cases not so much. The particular metro is pretty far flung and has lots of barriers, not only mountains and rivers, but also state lines which makes taxation and funding a murky issue. Actually the whole concept of the metro is pretty antiquated and often groups cities that look together on a map together even if they are not particularly philosophically aligned.

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  • metro is the extended area. Though I don't have the exact methodology, probably Wayne, Cabell, Lincoln and all the towns that comprise them are included as well as likely Ashland and Proctorville and other areas in Ohio. These areas in some incidences have a direct effect on Huntington, but in many cases not so much. The particular metro is pretty far flung and has lots of barriers, not only mountains and rivers, but also state lines which makes taxation and funding a murky issue. Actually the whole concept of the metro is pretty antiquated and often groups cities that look together on a map together even if they are not particularly philosophically aligned.

     

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    « Reply #45 on: December 16, 2015, 09:27:03 AM »
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  • MUther you're spot on and add to that the screw up with the regional airport and routing I-64 around the metro area rather than through it just has made matters worse for Herd Athletics. This caused growth to move east and the demise of downtown as we once knew it. Pullman Square is an improvement, but seriously Fly a river cruise destination. I boated, and swam on the dirty Ohio in the 60's. I doubt if it is even fit for fishing. The reality is we need a full service hotel, big enough to house our opponents. The mistakes of the past are almost impossible to overcome.

    River boat cruising is quickly growing. They already had a few stop last year as a trial run.

    I myself did lots of research on this and actually collaborated with our mayor as well as river boat cruise ships.

    Right now there are hundreds of boats with hundreds of ppl each who float right on by Huntington. They cruise, port and shop, and cruise some more.

    Why would you not want hundreds of people getting off to shop in Huntington for a few hours? Why not eventually try to get a company to port here. That way Huntington gets tax revenue from every ticket purchased as well. They do long cruises from Cincy to Pittsburgh, and we re a great stop along th way. From huntington you could also offer shorter cruises where it leaves Huntington and goes to either place to shop for a day and then come back.

    Maybe you need to do some research or heck, anything to help our area. If you have a better idea then by all means, put in the work and help make it happen.
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  • Maybe you need to do some research or heck, anything to help our area. If you have a better idea then by all means, put in the work and help make it happen.

    Too many people want to complain about any idea, then after the idea dies complain that it didn't take place. The only thing the chronic complainers are good at is working their mouths.

    Congratulations to you for having taken part in the planning and attempts to develop something. I don't live in the Huntington area or make it to Huntington very often, however for the good of the City, University, and people living there I hope your efforts are successful. 
     

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  • They should also include Lawrence county kentucky which is right across the river from Wayne county, wv.
     

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  • "Grant Money," as if it's manna from heaven.  It's TAX DOLLARS!  So I guess it's ok for a trash man from Omaha to pay for unnecessary amenities in Huntington?  Not even.

    Do you consider your degree from Marshall a necessary amenity?
     

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    Re: 100 Million dollars going into Harris Riverfront?
    « Reply #49 on: December 16, 2015, 11:22:31 AM »
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  • I love when people make comments but have no idea what is really going on.  This development is the brain child of a private group and they are working with the city to pull it off. What kind of people are these folks?  Well, two years ago they won a $20,000,000 judgement against the city. They could have enforced that judgement and the city would have had to declare bankruptcy, but they didn't do that, they went to the city and offered a plan that would help Huntington and allow them to potentially recoup their damages caused by the city back over a period of time.

    The city only has to help the developers secure grant money. Frankly, the city should have been working on this for decades, but they never seem to get around to it.   A first class covered marina with dry storage facilities, boat/wave runner rentals, retail, restaurants, hotel.  Should be nice.  I would say about 50/50 of happening at this point.

    Great stuff banker
     

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