Topic: Cam Newton

[HerdHead]

It's up to the punt team to tackle a punt receiver who catches the ball and pauses within about a yard of 5 or 6 of them.

It's up to the running backs to hold onto the ball in addition to qb's. 

It's up to receivers to catch the ball, not drop or bobble them (Cotchery x 3).

[iherdya]

Okay. But ultimately, it's up to him and to Manning to not lose the ball in those situations, and especially deep in their own territory.

And again to my most major point... it's that third fumble that virtually no other QB in the NFL commits. That's the problem on Monday morning that he still has an opportunity to do something about.

which one is that? the one where he's stripped when throwing the ball? the fumble that happens on a weekly basis if not more in the nfl?

[herdfan429]

If the ball moves without control it's incomplete. That's how it works now. I understand it.  I don't know why people act like it's so confusing.

NOT TRUE.  You can be rolling around on the ground for ever but if the ball never touches ground before you get possession its a catch.  That ball NEVER touched the ground therefore it should have been a catch.

[_sturt_]

which one is that? the one where he's stripped when throwing the ball? the fumble that happens on a weekly basis if not more in the nfl?

Again...

Arguably his WORST fumble was this THIRD one after the game was over, ie, the lost respect he's earned as a result of his post-game behavior. I can think of few NFL QBs who would have handled that moment as pathetically... Manziel, probably, but that might be the only one.

[_sturt_]

It's up to the punt team to tackle a punt receiver who catches the ball and pauses within about a yard of 5 or 6 of them.

It's up to the running backs to hold onto the ball in addition to qb's. 

It's up to receivers to catch the ball, not drop or bobble them (Cotchery x 3).

Right. Agreed. But you're zooming out seemingly in the attempt to avoid zooming to the most slap-your-momma-in-the-face reason this game was lost for CAR.

I don't get the resistance... I'm a Cowboys fan... I've had a lot of practice at watching my QB take the blame for his losing the ball in the exact same circumstance (except, sadly, he wasn't playing in a Super Bowl).

1. Most direct cause of 2 DEN TDs = 2 fumbles by the CAR QB
2. Margin of victory = 14 points

This is getting absurd, boys, it really is.

[iherdya]

Right. Agreed. But you're zooming out seemingly in the attempt to avoid zooming to the most slap-your-momma-in-the-face reason this game was lost for CAR.

I don't get the resistance... I'm a Cowboys fan... I've had a lot of practice at watching my QB take the blame for his losing the ball in the exact same circumstance (except, sadly, he wasn't playing in a Super Bowl).

1. Most direct cause of 2 DEN TDs = 2 fumbles by the CAR QB
2. Margin of victory = 14 points

This is getting absurd, boys, it really is.

you're just choosing to ignore (par for the course) the horrendous job the ol did in protecting cam on those two plays. they aren't examples of coverage sacks, where the qb holds it for 5-6 seconds, it was literally 2 seconds before he got hit the first time by miller, the second one was about 3 seconds and he was attempting to get rid of the ball. if your ol can't protect for 2-3 seconds, your qb is going to turn the ball over.

[_sturt_]

I can see you're just too much a Newton fan to acknowledge the buck stops with him, but if you watched the post-game interview, Rivera himself, first thing out of his mouth when asked to explain the loss... "we can't turn the ball over." That's where he starts. So, sorry but I agree with him.

Then. Speaking of "choosing to ignore." My primary point is not that one, but that you just can't behave like that after the game.

Again... most of us seem to get that, but maybe it helps further bring the point home if someone on TV with some cred says as much... and please notice, even Faulk doesn't disagree, he's just trying harder to sympathize...

[iherdya]

I can see you're just too much a Newton fan to acknowledge the buck stops with him, but if you watched the post-game interview, Rivera himself, first thing out of his mouth when asked to explain the loss... "we can't turn the ball over." That's where he starts. So, sorry but I agree with him.

Then. Speaking of "choosing to ignore." My primary point is not that one, but that you just can't behave like that after the game.

Again... most of us seem to get that, but maybe it helps further bring the point home if someone on TV with some cred says as much... and please notice, even Faulk doesn't disagree, he's just trying harder to sympathize...

I can see you're just too much of an Oher and Remmer fan to acknowledge the buck stops with them, but if you watched the post-game interview, Rivera himself, first thing out of his mouth when asked to explain the loss... "we can't turn the ball over." That's where he starts. So, sorry but I agree with him.

[_sturt_]

I can see you're just too much of an Oher and Remmer fan to acknowledge the buck stops with them, but if you watched the post-game interview, Rivera himself, first thing out of his mouth when asked to explain the loss... "we can't turn the ball over." That's where he starts. So, sorry but I agree with him.

hehehehe

Okay okay. I get your game.

I'll acknowledge that o-linemen have to do their job, and when they don't, bad things are more likely to happen.

Your turn. What will YOU acknowledge. I can't wait to read this.

[iherdya]

hehehehe

Okay okay. I get your game.

I'll acknowledge that o-linemen have to do their job, and when they don't, bad things are more likely to happen.

Your turn. What will YOU acknowledge. I can't wait to read this.

from my first two posts on the subject of cam:

"cam didn't have a good game"

"cam definitely needs better pocket presence, which is why some question if he's an elite quarterback"

[_sturt_]

Thought so.

If this were a civil court, you've acknowledged pretty much the equivalent of "my client, your honor, had a bad day."

To which, the judge might be slightly amused at the characterization.

I like this analogy... let's go with it...

So, your OTs? They're kinda like the inattentive bartenders who served your client the alcohol

If it hadn't been for their negligence, your client may have avoided losing his car keys and watching someone else sneak away and run off with something valuable to him and to you.

So you prefer to target the bartenders for a civil suit--they're, after all, at the root of it all. Without their bad behavior, your client may have never ended up in this situation.

All true.

"But," the judge would snap back, no doubt... "who had the keys in his possession at the time of the incident... who was responsible for them... who had the power, in the end, to prevent the problem?"

Then. Words to this effect: "Now get out of my court."

Finally... given that I've stressed the "third fumble" at least a couple of times now with no objection, while there's no open agreement, I'm left to assume there's a preference to just not go there... either you just can't stand to agree with me (hehe... a very real possibility) and/or guilty as charged.

[Greg H]

I met Newton on the street in Charlotte one morning.  Decent guy.  He spoke to me first, which I found cool.  He had a bad loss.  I can't hate too much; that shot has to be brutal as it was basically his fault they lost.

[BipolarFan]

His tantrum in the endzone after getting blasted was worthy of my 5 year old.

[herdman]

Sounds like herdman lost money or was just way biased for Carolina

What? How did I get drug into this?

[sardistim]

I met Newton on the street in Charlotte one morning.  Decent guy.  He spoke to me first, which I found cool.  He had a bad loss.  I can't hate too much; that shot has to be brutal as it was basically his fault they lost.

I met Cam at a gas station.  I wasn't going to say anything -- figured these guys get too much star gazing -- but he spoke to me.  Didn't have to.  Every year he give a quarter mill to Charlotte schools.  Gave $150,000 to my kids' middle school for IT equipment, came to the school, yada, yada.

His personality makes people either love him or hate him.  Not surprised by people's responses.  Do I wish he would handled the press conference afterwards better?  Sure.  But I've seen enough of what he's done around town, and watched how he treats his teammates on the sidelines from my seat 13 rows back, to appreciate what this young man does.

He'll learn from this and the Panthers will be back in the Super Bowl once or twice in the next 5 years.  Redemption is coming.

[_sturt_]

I believe the justification today was something like "show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."

Is there anyone among us who, if we heard those words come out of our own kid's mouth, wouldn't think we'd failed as a parent? Can't wait for the Charles Barkley interview when he proclaims Cam Newton isn't a role model.

Sorry, Cam. Sorry, Charles. Kids don't have the discernment to get it when one of their heroes is affirming the virtue of being a bad loser in order to affirm to yourself that you are a winner.

I agree, though... someday he will grow up. We all say things we regret, and especially so at younger ages. But for now, it's evidence that he's still in that process.