Topic: Catnip for those who fear losing Doc to the Poutineers

[wasbarryb]

West Virginia Head Coach Dana Holgorsen will not receive an extension from the Mountaineers anytime soon.


http://westvirginia.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Decision-Made-on-Holgorsens-Contract-Extension-43834225

[coalherd]

The ramifications are already popping up.  WVU just lost their DB coach to VA Tech because he had a contract for this year, 2016, only.  Tech under new head Coach Fuentes is giving their assistant coaches longer term contracts, for the most part.  Apparently, only Holgy, and two coordinators, have contracts through 2017.

[miltonherdfan]

i just can't see wvu swallowing their pride & cutting our athletic dept a $3M check so they can have our FB coach.  alum or not, the fact of the matter is they want no part in anything that might enhance our stature in athletics. 

[gochneaur645]

They're probably dumb enough to think they can lure Saban or Fisher back to WV.

[wasbarryb]

i just can't see wvu swallowing their pride & cutting our athletic dept a $3M check so they can have our FB coach.  alum or not, the fact of the matter is they want no part in anything that might enhance our stature in athletics.  

They hired J Snider didn’t they?

They hired Stewart didn’t they?

They hired Dunlap didn’t they?


I see your point, but they’re so delusional and self-absorbed up there that they’d find a way to spin it. Something like Doc was wasting his talents down here and the buyout was necessary to bring him home where he could reach his real potential.

[miltonherdfan]

They hired J Snider didn’t they?

They hired Stewart didn’t they?

They hired Dunlap didn’t they?


I see your point, but they’re so delusional and self-absorbed up there that they’d find a way to spin it. Something like Doc was wasting his talents down here and the buyout was necessary to bring him home where he could reach his real potential.

the take-home point of my post was 'writing MU a $3M check' isn't gonna happen.  i can assure you wvu didn't give us a nickel for dunlap or seider, & stewart was an internal promotion already on rich rod's staff.  i don't think they have a problem w/"marshall" on a resume, but they aren't giving us any of their $ to get 1 of our's.

[SuperAnjario]

the take-home point of my post was 'writing MU a $3M check' isn't gonna happen.  i can assure you wvu didn't give us a nickel for dunlap or seider, & stewart was an internal promotion already on rich rod's staff.  i don't think they have a problem w/"marshall" on a resume, but they aren't giving us any of their $ to get 1 of our's.

There would absolutely have to be a make-good.  There is a buyout clause (they are often negotiated).  If it did happen, there would likely be cash and football games involved.  That's just my opinion.

I think Doc will be here at least through his current contract.

[Big Ol' Hillbilly]

They hired J Snider didn’t they?

They hired Stewart didn’t they?

They hired Dunlap didn’t they?


I see your point, but they’re so delusional and self-absorbed up there that they’d find a way to spin it. Something like Doc was wasting his talents down here and the buyout was necessary to bring him home where he could reach his real potential.

Not sure that a running backs coach / recruiter, a coach who coached at Marshall for like one year in the 70's, and hiring our defensive coordinator as a position coach (basically making a fool of us), pulls the same weight as admitting they should've given doc their head coaching position before and cutting us a 3 million dollar check to right their previous mistake. Doesn't do the same kind of thing to the old pride. Not the same at all.

Seider, not snider, was a wvu guy who married a Morgantown native/wvu grad, and he wanted to get back up there eventually. Always a wvu guy at heart.

Bill Stewart, Fairmont state alumni who was also always a wvu guy at heart. Did he show Marshall respect? Yes. Was he a Marshall guy? No. He worked here very early in his career for a very short period of time. That doesn't mean that he was a Marshall guy who made the mountaineers cringe because he was their coach. Does not hurt the pride. Kind of like saying that a guy who flipped burgers at McDonald's for a year when he was 16 and then went on to grow up to be the CEO of Taco Bell was really a McDonald's man at heart and never cared about Taco Bell.

Steve Dunlap. Basically unemployed and needing a job. Never wanted to be at Marshall in the first place. Always thought he was too good for Marshall. Working at MU just to support family until he could find something else. A lot of people here in Putnam county knew that about him. Basically hiring him as a position coach was them laughing at us and proving that they swing a bigger pecker than us.

All that said, I don't think the points in your argument are valid at all. Do I think Doc would leave to coach there? In a freaking heartbeat. Do I think they'd swallow their pride and hire him even if they didn't have to pay 3 million? HECK NO!

[The E-Man]

the take-home point of my post was 'writing MU a $3M check' isn't gonna happen.  i can assure you wvu didn't give us a nickel for dunlap or seider, & stewart was an internal promotion already on rich rod's staff.  i don't think they have a problem w/"marshall" on a resume, but they aren't giving us any of their $ to get 1 of our's.

Any time there's a buyout, it's on the coach to pay it in full. We all know the eerdiots would pay it, if they wanted Doc bad enough. They would make it look like Doc paid it himself to make them look good.

[marcbuff]

Doc will not be going to WVU. Settle down guys.

[miltonherdfan]

They would make it look like Doc paid it himself to make them look good.

that would really be taking the rest of the world to be major idiots without even having 1st grade math skills.  we know how much doc makes NOW.  we also know doc's only been making that for 6 yrs, the rest of his adult life making asst coach $.  we also can ballpark how much of it he probably pays in taxes.  & most of us know how much it costs to live & raise however many kids he's got.  is there anyone on here that thinks doc's got $3M to spare that he wouldn't miss?

[coloradoherd]

I could be wrong, but I feel like the bridges are burned between Doc and WVU, that he wouldn't want to go back there.  

He felt slighted when Bill Stewart was hired, and probably a lot of folks up there told him he was dumb for coming to little ol' Marshall.  I think Doc wants to stick it to them and prove them wrong.  

I have a family member who is actually a WVU alum but has lived in Huntington since the 80s and became a Herd fan going to games in the 90s.  They actually totally bleed green now and hate WVU because they got tired of the arrogance coming from friends and family at WVU.  The insults and jokes about being a Marshall fan finally made this WVU alum hate WVU, no joke.  I think it's possible a similar thing could've happened with Doc.  

[coalherd]

Not sure that a running backs coach / recruiter, a coach who coached at Marshall for like one year in the 70's, and hiring our defensive coordinator as a position coach (basically making a fool of us), pulls the same weight as admitting they should've given doc their head coaching position before and cutting us a 3 million dollar check to right their previous mistake. Doesn't do the same kind of thing to the old pride. Not the same at all.

Seider, not snider, was a wvu guy who married a Morgantown native/wvu grad, and he wanted to get back up there eventually. Always a wvu guy at heart.

Bill Stewart, Fairmont state alumni who was also always a wvu guy at heart. Did he show Marshall respect? Yes. Was he a Marshall guy? No. He worked here very early in his career for a very short period of time. That doesn't mean that he was a Marshall guy who made the mountaineers cringe because he was their coach. Does not hurt the pride. Kind of like saying that a guy who flipped burgers at McDonald's for a year when he was 16 and then went on to grow up to be the CEO of Taco Bell was really a McDonald's man at heart and never cared about Taco Bell.

Steve Dunlap. Basically unemployed and needing a job. Never wanted to be at Marshall in the first place. Always thought he was too good for Marshall. Working at MU just to support family until he could find something else. A lot of people here in Putnam county knew that about him. Basically hiring him as a position coach was them laughing at us and proving that they swing a bigger pecker than us.

All that said, I don't think the points in your argument are valid at all. Do I think Doc would leave to coach there? In a freaking heartbeat. Do I think they'd swallow their pride and hire him even if they didn't have to pay 3 million? HECK NO!

Well, Hillbilly, how did going back to his beloved alma mater work out for Dunlap?  I believe he was cut loose by Hungoveragain during one of his early staff shake-ups.  Not sure he is even in coaching anymore; maybe he got shuffled off into some athletic department "make work" position.

[Flat Tire 2]

Not sure that a running backs coach / recruiter, a coach who coached at Marshall for like one year in the 70's, and hiring our defensive coordinator as a position coach (basically making a fool of us), pulls the same weight as admitting they should've given doc their head coaching position before and cutting us a 3 million dollar check to right their previous mistake. Doesn't do the same kind of thing to the old pride. Not the same at all.

Seider, not snider, was a wvu guy who married a Morgantown native/wvu grad, and he wanted to get back up there eventually. Always a wvu guy at heart.

Bill Stewart, Fairmont state alumni who was also always a wvu guy at heart. Did he show Marshall respect? Yes. Was he a Marshall guy? No. He worked here very early in his career for a very short period of time. That doesn't mean that he was a Marshall guy who made the mountaineers cringe because he was their coach. Does not hurt the pride. Kind of like saying that a guy who flipped burgers at McDonald's for a year when he was 16 and then went on to grow up to be the CEO of Taco Bell was really a McDonald's man at heart and never cared about Taco Bell.

Steve Dunlap. Basically unemployed and needing a job. Never wanted to be at Marshall in the first place. Always thought he was too good for Marshall. Working at MU just to support family until he could find something else. A lot of people here in Putnam county knew that about him. Basically hiring him as a position coach was them laughing at us and proving that they swing a bigger pecker than us.

All that said, I don't think the points in your argument are valid at all. Do I think Doc would leave to coach there? In a freaking heartbeat. Do I think they'd swallow their pride and hire him even if they didn't have to pay 3 million? HECK NO!

Excellent points! All of the coaches were assistant coaches; big difference.

[Big Ol' Hillbilly]

Well, Hillbilly, how did going back to his beloved alma mater work out for Dunlap?  I believe he was cut loose by Hungoveragain during one of his early staff shake-ups.  Not sure he is even in coaching anymore; maybe he got shuffled off into some athletic department "make work" position.

What's that got to do with my post? Didn't claim the dude was my homie or anything. Just stating what was common knowledge around these parts. I could care less he got fired or quit. Never liked him as a defensive coordinator, so I could've cared less when they hired him. I don't understand the point of your post.

[miltonherdfan]

I don't understand the point of your post.

that makes 2 of us

[Johnnyherd]

I don't think they look at Doc, I think they still feel that Doc is beneath them...They will demand, either a blue chip coach or the absolute hottest up and coming coach....

They are delusional...Just like when they needed an athletic director they all claimed they'd be getting Oregon's AD...Oregon with a 200+ million dollar athletic budget...Probably a top 5 job in the nation, many say number 1...

My guess they all set their sites on stealing Chip Kelley from the NFL, lol....

[W0lfman]

What is all the dust up is about with him?  I don't see any other coach they can hire do any better than he has done.  Everyone knew they would more than likely hover around .500 with a losing year tossed in, and on rare occasions a potential 9 or 10 win season.  Seems to me they are right where everyone expected them to be.

[ThunderValley]

Rich Rod will come back  ;)

He is ready to leave Az.

[miltonherdfan]

Seems to me they are right where everyone expected them to be.

everyone outside of morgantown, yes.  :-)  but it's a different world inside.

[Buffalo Bop]

According to Landon, the handwriting is on the wall for Holgs. 2016 will be his swan song.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/chuck-landon-c-usa-doing-poor-job-of-scheduling/article_6d9f6588-13ea-586f-8161-44759b83d0df.html

[jt]

Being a positive Herd guy, I am gonna say that Doc does not want to go to WVU. He is a Marshall guy now, has it good, wants to stay and make the Herd program even greater. He can go down in our books as a "Legend" if he does this.

[Johnnyherd]

Remember the trend of WVU fans calling Holgerson a "genius", lol.....

[The E-Man]

Remember the trend of WVU fans calling Holgerson a "genius", lol.....

Funny how trends can fade quickly, lol.. :)

[Big Ol' Hillbilly]

Remember the trend of WVU fans calling Holgerson a "genius", lol.....

My personal favorite

"EER RAID!!!"