Topic: Herd hoops players

[coalherd]

Believe David Early was recruited as a "guard".  Now that he is really needed at that position, just wonder if he has reached the weight level that the Coaching staff wanted and which would enable him to play extended and quality minutes at said position?

[Biggreensportsfan]

McKey is going to bring more what. He can't shoot anything but layups or dunks ok 4 point 4 rebounds we need a better big.

[MicDrass1]

Folks will get their fill of a no-Taylor and more McKey.

Bloodlines matter!

[Herdmeister]

Believe David Early was recruited as a "guard".  Now that he is really needed at that position, just wonder if he has reached the weight level that the Coaching staff wanted and which would enable him to play extended and quality minutes at said position?

He was close the weight goal in early summer nut gained most of it back

[herd2win]

He was close the weight goal in early summer nut gained most of it back

How is that acceptable and why aren?t the coaches monitoring this and working with the training staff to make sure not only Early but the rest of the players stay in shape?

[thunderingon]

How is that acceptable and why aren?t the coaches monitoring this and working with the training staff to make sure not only Early but the rest of the players stay in shape?

You make the assumption that they aren't and you also are taking all responsibility from the player, but that fits the narrative I guess. 

So who do we see running the point tomorrow?  Early or Braun?  I assume both, but it will be interesting as Taylor has the ball in his hands the majority of the time. 

[herd2win]

You make the assumption that they aren't and you also are taking all responsibility from the player, but that fits the narrative I guess. 

So who do we see running the point tomorrow?  Early or Braun?  I assume both, but it will be interesting as Taylor has the ball in his hands the majority of the time.

Scholarships are 1 year at a time.  If a player is not doing the required training and what it takes to contribute then the coach should not renew the scholarship.

[miltonherdfan]

You make the assumption that they aren't and you also are taking all responsibility from the player, but that fits the narrative I guess. 

So who do we see running the point tomorrow?  Early or Braun?  I assume both, but it will be interesting as Taylor has the ball in his hands the majority of the time.

this team is a lost cause . . . let's see what dillon can do under a little pressure

[miltonherdfan]

Scholarships are 1 year at a time.  If a player is not doing the required training and what it takes to contribute then the coach should not renew the scholarship.

if only dan operated that way . . . :(

[wlf]

McKey is going to bring more what. He can't shoot anything but layups or dunks ok 4 point 4 rebounds we need a better big.

Yep. I?m hoping he develops into an NBA player , but he?s got a lot of work ahead.

[MicDrass1]

He?s got a nice touch around the rim and looked good in his 1 chance to drive from the top of the paint to the rim.  Had a nice crossover to the left with the kiss off the glass.  Coaches need to give him 10 true chances to score a night minimum.  He will avg 10ppg if they do.

[herdfan129]

Who cares how much Early weighs when he is actually producing? Get serious right now.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

Who cares how much Early weighs when he is actually producing? Get serious right now.

Its not about what hes producing , but what the guy hes guarding is producing.  His added weight slows him down on the defensive end .

[MicDrass1]

Its not about what hes producing , but what the guy hes guarding is producing.  His added weight slows him down on the defensive end .

Poor D, poor passing, poor shooting.  I thought he would be better. 

[Rockin Herd Fan]

Poor D, poor passing, poor shooting.  I thought he would be better.

OAK has made huge strides over last season, but Early is playing at about the same level as he did as a Freshman.  I really think the extra weight he is carrying is holding back his development. 

[ThunderingHerdFan]

Scholarships are 1 year at a time.  If a player is not doing the required training and what it takes to contribute then the coach should not renew the scholarship.

I seem to recall several years ago, our athletic department made it a required 4-year guarantee of an athletic scholarship.

This policy could have quietly gone away but I seem to remember this.

[Herdmeister]

You make the assumption that they aren't and you also are taking all responsibility from the player, but that fits the narrative I guess. 

So who do we see running the point tomorrow?  Early or Braun?  I assume both, but it will be interesting as Taylor has the ball in his hands the majority of the time.

Early will run the point but also expect to see Beyers bringing the ball up the court quite a bit and also working some from the top of the key

[miltonherdfan]

but also expect to see Beyers bringing the ball up the court quite a bit and also working some from the top of the key

hahahahaha  wow

i'm not gonna dog him being in the lineup, but he's the least qualified player on the roster to bring the ball up the floor.

[herdfan129]

Its not about what hes producing , but what the guy hes guarding is producing.  His added weight slows him down on the defensive end .

You can bring that up when other people on the team start playing defense. Obinna is the only guy we have who is a good defender.

[herdfan129]

hahahahaha  wow

i'm not gonna dog him being in the lineup, but he's the least qualified player on the roster to bring the ball up the floor.

Kinsey and Taylor both have more turnovers than Beyers.

[coalherd]

Kinsey and Taylor both have more turnovers than Beyers.

Yes, 129, but I'll bet that those 2 have way more playing minutes each than Byers.  Turnovers per playing minute, if such a stat is kept, would probably show that Byers is as turnover prone, if not more so, than the other two.

[GreenWhite]

Kinsey is starting to get up there with turnovers so that turnover per minutes played will not be a factor. Yet, D'Antoni will not pull him for playing me ball. Instead, he leaves him out there. Kinsey needs a wake-up call, just like D'Antoni gave to Beyers. Here is the system as I see it. Work hard in practice and you get playing time in games. You stay out there, no matter how much your bone-headed mistakes are costing the team. You practiced the way you were supposed to. It sounds to me like practice attitude is not carrying over to the games.

[Herdmeister]

Kinsey is starting to get up there with turnovers so that turnover per minutes played will not be a factor. Yet, D'Antoni will not pull him for playing me ball. Instead, he leaves him out there. Kinsey needs a wake-up call, just like D'Antoni gave to Beyers. Here is the system as I see it. Work hard in practice and you get playing time in games. You stay out there, no matter how much your bone-headed mistakes are costing the team. You practiced the way you were supposed to. It sounds to me like practice attitude is not carrying over to the games.

Although he isn't playing well, nobody at practice goes any harder than Taevion

[herdfan129]

Although he isn't playing well, nobody at practice goes any harder than Taevion

I think he plays hard during the games?. But he isn?t making good decisions.

[2xBison]

Yes, 129, but I'll bet that those 2 have way more playing minutes each than Byers.  Turnovers per playing minute, if such a stat is kept, would probably show that Byers is as turnover prone, if not more so, than the other two.

What it would show is that you opine and speak with little facts to back it up.  First, the guards will/should have more as they have the ball in their hands more.  Second, that's why assist to turnover ratio is a good measure for guards productivity.  Third, while guards do have the ball more, Byers plays more like a guard than the rest of our bigs, so you would expect a few more turnovers based on his role, he's had several dumb turnovers but also some nice outlet passes and assist this year.

Let's look at turnovers per minute played.

Kinsey .081
Taylor .093
Early .059
OAK .063
Byers .072
Tousaint .088
Mckey .055
Serenec .048
Goran  .044

The stats are on herdzone.  Might want to check before typing.  I've said all year people hang on Byers every TO based on prior years.  Hey Byers has his issues like the entire team, but let's be real here.